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!!SPOILERS!! Battle Ground Thoughts and Recap !!SPOILERS!! READER BEWARE
BrainFireBob:
We have two good thematic answers for why the Council would kick him out
1) He's Kemmler 2.0
2) Where is the Eye of Balor?
For item 1:
1) He's allied with most of the nastier fae and has contacts among the vampire courts
2) He's on record as having used necromancy
3) He's formed his own magical society for the talented- Paranet may not be pronounced like Thule, but who is paying close attention
4) Jim's recent "Kemmler was once Warden" bombshell
For item 2:
1) If Harry took down Ethniu, Harry recovered the Eye.
2) Where is the Eye?
For plot theme 1, it's basically a panic response.
For plot theme 2, it's throwing Harry to the wolves, and the price of re-admission to the Council can be the Eye. Or isolating him, waiting for him to fall, and assuming they'll be able to find a lockbox or something.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 30, 2020, 01:11:15 PM ---The white councils definition of human is flexible apparently and it also inconsistent because if Harry really had broken the law they should put him on the death list of dangerous sorcerers and start actively hunting him, and not push him out unless they do not consider him human anymore.
En will explode when he hears about him and Lara ;D
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It's definitely inconsistent, but it's politics.
In BG Harry was acting as Winter Knight, trying to execute him for actions taken as Winter Knight (as opposed to for personal reasons) could start a conflict between the Council and Winter.
Otherwise 'warped' humans don't seem to qualify for the purposes of the First Law - Denarians for example; Harry killed them with magic in SmF when Luccio was around.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 30, 2020, 12:47:16 AM ---3. Vadderung. I'd say there is a reasonable hint he is or was also Zeus (his Spear unleashed was literally a lightning bolt). But the phrase Gard says also seems to hint that he might well have been much more. Perhaps many things.
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Well he has a lot of identities... we know Kringle and Beowulf at least.
But historically Odin was identified with Mercury, Thor with Jupiter (Zeus).
--- Quote ---The fact he is starborn suggests he was mortal or is mortal.
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This seems to have very interesting implications, yeah. Per WOJ Drakul is something entirely inhuman trapped in human form. Since Starborn seems to imply being born, maybe his human form was an actual human being rather than an 'assumed' form (like Uriel's temporary human form in SG).
Maybe a starborn wizard way-back-when messed up a summoning and ended up being completely possessed?
--- Quote ---Knowledge is power, sure. But I very much dislike the fantasy trope where a secret society with a library seem to have every book every, especially on the threat they need to face.
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Well, as for lost knowledge... it seems from "Backup" that those beings that are genuinely forgotten can't act in the mortal world anymore. So beings only mentioned in completely lost books probably aren't relevant.
I agree they'd be unlikely to know the exact powers and weaknesses of really obscure beings.
--- Quote ---12 Also, was disappointed the masquerade didn't fully drop.
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Think it's a time scale issue. It hasn't fully happened at the end of BG, but the process has been set in motion. But the lack of any electronic documentation is going to be a real issue in terms of the public believing this - at first. Especially with the whole 'hallucinogenic gas' bit.
It's still going to happen, but it won't be immediate. There will be lots of different stories flying around for quite a while - confused eyewitness accounts, the official story, the Paranet version pieced together from eyewitness accounts and some background supernatural knowledge, and lots of mundane conspiracy theories (aliens, secret government experiments, etc.)
CrusherJen:
--- Quote ---Mab is making Harry marry Lara. What Lara gets out of it is unclear other than an alliance (and not a long term one). Jim has been foreshadowing Lara and Harry's eventual boinking since Lara was first introduced.
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Mab can make Harry marry Lara, but nobody can force them to "boink." Harry has True Love protection from Karrin (as confirmed in Peace Talks) and even with her dead(ish) I don't see that fading in a year's time, especially as Harry knows she's still around as a Valkyrie. I don't have the book nearby, but I seem to recall his protection from Susan lasted a long time after their breakup. So unless something happens in the next year, the marriage would have to be political only. Lara can't touch Harry without burning herself.
BrainFireBob:
She's not a Valkyrie, she's an Einherjar. That's explicit from Gard.
Protection from Susan literally lasted years.
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