The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
We Now Know What/Who Mac Is
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 20, 2020, 08:31:18 PM ---he didn't take anything from Marcone's bank
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You don't know what burglary is.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 20, 2020, 08:31:18 PM ---Which he most likely can and does.
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Not legally.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 20, 2020, 08:31:18 PM ---This was never about what Harry did or didn't do, he was being used by Mab, Marcone, and Hades to get revenge on Nic.. The whole robbery happened because it was allowed to happen, so no real robbery. In the course of events one of Marcone's guards was killed by one of Nic's people.. Marcone
accepted the weregild, he and Harry were even. Perhaps he wants a little more revenge so he is siccing Rudolph on Murphy because Harry did get away with some serious loot, i.e. weapons of mass destruction.. Which if Hades is right, could only be done by someone clever enough and strong enough to use them.
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"This" is about whether or not Harry would be confessing to crimes in telling Tilly what went on in SK.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2020, 08:43:43 PM ---Nope, you are having to make to many reaches to get to where you need to be, and ignore Marcone’s role in the proceedings.
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Nope, you're exaggerating his proceedings and ignoring the text. Harry said it wouldn't work if they had permission to be there. They didn't have permission to detain or assault the guards. That's enough.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2020, 08:43:43 PM ---The deaths of Deidre and Ascher occurred out of US Jurisdiction, and it is a matter for the relevant sovereign government i.e. Hades, to deal with their deaths. Not the CPD or the FBI, there is no valid principle of extra-territorially, the deaths simply did not occur in the US jurisdiction, and neither was a US citizen, nor a US Resident. Deidre is older than the US, Ascher is Australian. Neither body is in the US.
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I have no idea how courts in Illinois, or anywhere, would handle the Nevernever. I do recall a case where someone sued Satan. The only problem was they couldn't get service on the guy.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2020, 08:43:43 PM ---Goodness, next thing you will be accusing Harry of the homicide of Blood on his Soul, despite him (a) not being human, or (b) he appears to have risen from the dead (so only attempted murder then).
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He may legally be a human being. They can definitely produce offspring with humans. We don't know if those offspring are viable, so we don't know if they meet the scientific definition of the same species. The grindelkin seem to require different circumstances to reproduce, so who knows.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2020, 08:43:43 PM ---I would point out that Rudy doesn’t appear to have any DNA evidence which would place Harry in the Vault and he should have left some, which along with the shed Giant Praying Mantisoid DNA and Genowskwa DNA would indicate Marcone got their first. There is no corroboration of Harry ‘s Confession.
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There's enough corroboration for Rudy to show up and ask questions. There's enough corroboration to prove a crime happened. What with the shoot out, witnesses, and bodies. (It does seem the witnesses who could id Harry aren't talking). Corroboration of a crime is what's needed to convict someone solely on a confession.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2020, 08:43:43 PM ---Of course the way out of this is to ask Michael Carpenter to swear on a Bible in Court, as under your premise he is as guilty as Harry, but rarely those who swear “by almighty god” are actually on speaking terms with HIM.
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Michael has a 5th Amendment right against self incrimination, so he would have to be given an immunity deal before he could be required to testify. I doubt Michael's going to volunteer to testify against Harry.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2020, 08:43:43 PM ---What’s the odds jury selection REALLY breaks Harry and Michaels way?.
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As pointed out above, it'd just be Harry. But my point isn't about Harry getting convicted. It's that Harry did commit several felonies and therefore shouldn't tell a law enforcement officer that he did.
Mira:
--- Quote ---There's enough corroboration for Rudy to show up and ask questions. There's enough corroboration to prove a crime happened. What with the shoot out, witnesses, and bodies. (It does seem the witnesses who could id Harry aren't talking). Corroboration of a crime is what's needed to convict someone solely on a confession.
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You forget about the "clean up crew." I seem to remember Harry or someone commenting on the efficient clean up crew either Binder or Nic had to "clean up" the bodies and such, leaving no evidence.
Bad Alias:
The place was swamped with cops when Harry left. There's going to be evidence of a crime. Rudolph is investigating something.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 21, 2020, 01:42:12 AM ---The place was swamped with cops when Harry left. There's going to be evidence of a crime. Rudolph is investigating something.
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Was it? Rudolph is beholding to Marcone, they'd find nothing unless Marcone wanted them to.. It's all tied to the final scene when Harry and Molly confront Mab and Marcone about them setting him up so Marcone could get his revenge.. Marcone didn't like that so Rudolph is putting some heat on.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 21, 2020, 01:48:15 AM ---Was it?
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Yes. Harry had to sneak past them. It's in the book.
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