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vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 08, 2020, 10:25:04 AM ---??? The idea is well known, hence combining fact with idea, Harry's decendancy from Merlin is well discussed here and elsewhere.. and if you look at magical mythos, it always starts with one person. Odin receiving the knowledge of runes, Horus doing the same from his mother, ect.
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Well, yeah, but if all those pantheons exist in the DV, does that mean multiple origins of magic?
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I don't think they really do have to, though. (Unless you're referring to the original evolution/creation of humanity.)
Magical capability seems to be essentially natural to humans in the DV; wizards are different because they have much more talent, but some degree seems to be standard.
It's said in GS or CD that technically anyone could learn magic, but it's way harder without the Sight. And the Alphas don't seem to have been aware of having magical talent before they met Tera West.
So I think it's just as likely that people figured out how to do magic basically on their own, possibly with help from various local spirits and gods (ie maybe Horus taught somebody in Egypt and Odin taught somebody in Scandinavia) but not with one common origin.
Per WOJ the White Council used to be Europe-centric and wizards in other parts of the world have their own distinct histories... so I don't think there was a single origin of magical knowledge.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 08, 2020, 10:33:14 PM ---Well, yeah, but if all those pantheons exist in the DV, does that mean multiple origins of magic?
I don't think they really do have to, though. (Unless you're referring to the original evolution/creation of humanity.)
Magical capability seems to be essentially natural to humans in the DV; wizards are different because they have much more talent, but some degree seems to be standard.
It's said in GS or CD that technically anyone could learn magic, but it's way harder without the Sight. And the Alphas don't seem to have been aware of having magical talent before they met Tera West.
So I think it's just as likely that people figured out how to do magic basically on their own, possibly with help from various local spirits and gods (ie maybe Horus taught somebody in Egypt and Odin taught somebody in Scandinavia) but not with one common origin.
Per WOJ the White Council used to be Europe-centric and wizards in other parts of the world have their own distinct histories... so I don't think there was a single origin of magical knowledge.
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Salic law is the main reason I disagree. It's clearly an inherited property, genetic even(one theory made a good case for magic being part of the mitochondrial system)
Depends on how those pantheons actually mesh together and repeat. An how/when humanity actually evolved with free choice. Listening to Ethniu, for instance, doesn't lead me to believe they always had the capacity they do now. As much pull as they do on Fate and this would also be the event horizon for them gaining mortal magic as we know it.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 08, 2020, 11:07:18 PM ---Salic law is the main reason I disagree. It's clearly an inherited property, genetic even(one theory made a good case for magic being part of the mitochondrial system)
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Much as I like the series, if Jim introduces midichlorians, I'm out.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 09, 2020, 01:21:08 AM ---Much as I like the series, if Jim introduces midichlorians, I'm out.
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LMFAO! I mean, at least it would make more sense than for the force. Life is at least the source of Magic. The force is supposed to be in all things..
vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 08, 2020, 11:07:18 PM ---Salic law is the main reason I disagree. It's clearly an inherited property,
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Oh I agree it's inherited. But I think it's "strength of talent" that is inherited, it's not just a yes/no gene.
The things Harry's said about 'anyone could theoretically learn magic but it's vastly harder if you don't have the Sight' makes me think that very few if any people have literally zero talent. It's just that most people aren't aware of it unless they have the Sight or an obvious ability manifests (like Abby's precognition or whatever).
So I think it's more that 'magical talent' is an inherent part of humanity and in any human population you'll get ~1 in a million Council level talents and lots more weaker ones.
And the 'Council level' distinction is artificial, just based on what the White Council's tests are. Carlos even talks about (in WN, I think) that the qualifications might be lowered due to losses in the Vampire War.
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I strongly doubt it. If it were genetic, Charity no longer using magic wouldn't prevent Molly's younger siblings from inheriting the gene.
I think the maternal vs paternal distinction is much more likely a result of exposure to magic in the womb.
And we're told it's "usually" female-line, but if it was mitochondrial it would be 100%. Paternal inheritance does happen sometimes, apparently Eb's wife was a vanilla mortal.
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