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The_Sibelis:
As I'm sure your aware from discussion of Kings blood. If you go back far enough everyone is related. An I am talking earliest history. Of course everyone has magic, that's the premise behind babies being born 'through' magic. Does not negate the source of method of traversal. Its not genetic alone of course, but it is directly called for across genetics. Molly is pretty easily explained. When she actively used magic it actively made her cells reproduce closer copies, an effect that clearly does not continue when you stop using magic. So her cells were literally suffused with magic when Molly was concieved. What did they say the base number of ppl was to create a while new world? 6 females and 2 males? That still leaves a most direct path back to one of the males.
I believe nothing as far as Eb's wife goes. Jim knew exactly what he was doing when he made Harry's grandfather a wizard AND his mother while also stating magic through Salic law.
An if it's not inherited than the WCV'S actions in WK have absolutely no real value. Tend to think a player in the oblivion war would know better then. Let alone the extended WV's just believing it on a whim. Everything we know of shows 'salic law', and oh 'sometimes it happens another way'. Given we have absolutely no idea what that other people way is it doesn't negate what we know. 'another way' could be as simple as exposure causing genetic mutation in latent genes... Which btw is exactly what's been implied about Molly taking on the Ladies Mantle vs a closer changeling that it should have chosen, per woj. So we actually already have a base for the same thing happening on another clearly genetic line. And... Harry pretty much outright says it about mortals and their hybrids somewhere"those with the blood of the NN". Its all inheritance in the DF, can't think of a single example where someone gets something or has an aspect that's not inherited from somewhere. KotC, scions, changelings, harry taking on DR(which is one of those Merlinian connections well discussed) heck even bigfoot is basically born from dragon's blood per PT, grendelkin? The 'lady' who seduced mortals to make monstrous babies?
What do we have that's /not/ genetic? Even how the person CAN use magic is based upon their physical body.
vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 09, 2020, 09:31:37 PM ---As I'm sure your aware from discussion of Kings blood. If you go back far enough everyone is related. An I am talking earliest history.
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Ah ok, yeah maybe a supernatural ancestor way back at the beginning...
I still think that magical talent is a fundamentally 'human' thing though. I think there is a difference between how the series portrays wizards/magical practitioners vs. scion-types (Changelings, WCVs, Red Court Infected, etc.) who have some sort of 'Choice' mechanic or bifurcated nature.
--- Quote --- Molly is pretty easily explained. When she actively used magic it actively made her cells reproduce closer copies, an effect that clearly does not continue when you stop using magic. So her cells were literally suffused with magic when Molly was concieved.
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Yeah I think that's probably about right. There probably is a genetic component but active use of magic and the biological effects of it also play a large role.
IMO this is why magic is 'usually' inherited matrilineally but not 'always'. Genetics + prenatal environment are far more likely to push someone above the threshold where their talent manifests obviously, having the Sight, etc. than genetics alone.
But in the really strong lineages like Eb/Harry you don't need both. Charity was a quite weak talent.
--- Quote ---An if it's not inherited than the WCV'S actions in WK have absolutely no real value.
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Oh, I think it's "inherited" just not entirely "genetic", the mother actually using magic (not just having the talent/genes) seems to be important from the case of the Carpenters.
--- Quote ---Its all inheritance in the DF, can't think of a single example where someone gets something or has an aspect that's not inherited from somewhere.
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What about transfer of power from supernatural beings to mortals? Lash gives Harry Hellfire, Uriel gives him Soulfire, I'm pretty sure Harry isn't descended from angels or Fallen...
Mira:
--- Quote ---Oh, I think it's "inherited" just not entirely "genetic", the mother actually using magic (not just having the talent/genes) seems to be important from the case of the Carpenters.
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Charity swore off her magic though and it faded, however the genes for it remained, and Molly inherited them. Now it is interesting that so for the rest of the Carpenter kids either didn't inherit the trait or are ignoring the fact that they have talent.
The_Sibelis:
@vulture. Oh but that's exactly what Uriel implied when he says"I just made you more of what you already are". I'm not sure hellfire counts the same as he didn't keep it, merely gained access to it, though I imagine as two sides of the same coin it's not unfeasible. So I see that as unlocking latent potential already there.. though exactly how wizards are relative to angels is a mystery still.. they do perform acts of creation and destruction using the very primal forces of the universe, granted on a much smaller scale..
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 10, 2020, 05:06:12 AM ---Charity swore off her magic though and it faded, however the genes for it remained, and Molly inherited them. Now it is interesting that so for the rest of the Carpenter kids either didn't inherit the trait or are ignoring the fact that they have talent.
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Molly's the oldest, though. She was conceived (and maybe born) while the magic was still fading. The other kids would have the same genetics, but much less pre-natal exposure.
I think there's zero chance of the other kids "ignoring" magic -- after almost losing Molly in an incredibly traumatic episode that saw Charity throwing on chainmail and marching to the heart of winter, Michael and Charity will be watching the other kids for any sign. (Heck, I'd expect that *Molly* has been watching to other kids for any sign, and there's no chance she'd miss it.)
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