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Yuillegan:
The theme of nightmares is curious.

When Harry killed the Red Court it caused mass bad dreams for any man or women with even a smidge of talent. I suspect even Agent Tilly had nightmares. Particularly pregnant or new mothers had it the worst.

All the dreams had the same theme: dead children. The world in flames. Terror and destruction sweeping across the globe in an unstoppable wave. Destruction of anything like order or civilisation.

And somewhere, I can't remember how, the nightmares are linked to the Fomor. Does anyone know?

And then of course there is the Nightmare himself, Leonid Kravos' uber-ghost. But who would have given Kravos the knowledge? And it was a particularly curious magic to use. Mavra did seem involved in that story. Not only that, but Kravos (and perhaps his ghost...perhaps not though) was infected by Nemesis.

The theme of the nightmares seems to fit into the plans of the Fomor too.

The_Sibelis:
Harry was also getting nightmares before mouse arrived iirc. Lilith has aspects of dreams and nightmares...
It's becoming increasingly obvious one of the primary targets of Nemesis and friends is humanity itself, Ethniu actually acts pretty much as I predicted for Nemesis, someone with a chip on their shoulder for humanity taking up the power and the balance..
The night of bad dreams was a Mandela effect I think, Harry explains there's more magic in a babies laugh than in his biggest firestorm, combine that kind of fact with the idea harry is descendant of Merlin directly and Merlin was the start of Mortal Wizardy, and the red court tried to target not just practitioners, but mortal magic itself. If magic failed us, then all those whose lives were created and ran on magic would die, the unborn children..

vultur:
I think the nightmares are just the result of a huge amount of dark energy suddenly being released into the world.

The super-powered spell itself, plus... the Red King/Lords of Outer Night don't seem to have had Mantles that passed on. But as Mother Summer points out in SK, that energy can't just disappear. So all their 'godlike' power would presumably have been released into the world.

The connection with the Fomor might just be that the Fomor started acting right then, at the fall of the Red Court... plus the nightmares might be a bit "precognitive", hinting at future disaster in which the Fomor are presumably involved. But I don't think the Fomor had anything to do with causing it.


--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 07, 2020, 01:53:22 PM ---combine that kind of fact with the idea harry is descendant of Merlin directly and Merlin was the start of Mortal Wizardy

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I don't think either of these is known. There's a line of teaching/apprenticeship going from Merlin to Harry through Eb; that doesn't mean Eb (and therefore Harry) is biologically descended from Merlin.

And Merlin founded (or perhaps re-founded, given that it was around in classical times) the White Council and wrote the Laws of Magic - but nothing's ever suggested that he created wizardry itself. Mortal magic seems to be just a natural function of humanity in the DV... lots of people have a trace of talent, a few have more, 1 in a million or so are Council level.

And there were pre-Council organizations of wizards and practitioners in other parts of the world back when the WC was just Europe/the Mediterranean. I don't think Merlin was that central.

I mean with time travel I guess he could have founded everything - but it's never been suggested.

Yuillegan:
I remember reading somewhere that they had something to do with it. But I can't for the life of me find it, so perhaps I am mistaken.

It's always sort-of been assumed that the release of dark magic from the spell caused it. But I am not so sure. Perhaps the act of killing the Red Court massively moved the universe Harry is in the direction of a certain timeline.

I agree though that Merlin wasn't the start of magical learning. He merely reformed the status quo. It seems that before he did things were very volatile and political and chaotic. He ordered the supernatural world.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: vultur on September 08, 2020, 04:42:08 AM ---I don't think either of these is known. There's a line of teaching/apprenticeship going from Merlin to Harry through Eb; that doesn't mean Eb (and therefore Harry) is biologically descended from Merlin.

And Merlin founded (or perhaps re-founded, given that it was around in classical times) the White Council and wrote the Laws of Magic - but nothing's ever suggested that he created wizardry itself. Mortal magic seems to be just a natural function of humanity in the DV... lots of people have a trace of talent, a few have more, 1 in a million or so are Council level.

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??? The idea is well known, hence combining fact with idea, Harry's decendancy from Merlin is well discussed here and elsewhere.. and if you look at magical mythos, it always starts with one person. Odin receiving the knowledge of runes, Horus doing the same from his mother, ect. From there you simply have to remember everything is cyclic in the DF, and mortals had to have gotten Wizardy from somewhere and you start looking at what appears to be the oldest cycle... And you come up with Merlin. Course Merlin isn't really Merlin, he's just a place holder for the original version.
You can find good clues in the origins of the Sidhe, the Celtic Druids could command the elements themselves but could not mess with fate, they can conjure by the avatars of the elements, things like the fae originators.. Wizards on the other hand can indeed effect fate, but they should not.

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