The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
If Not Mab, Could Nic Be Behind What Thomas Did?
Conspiracy Theorist:
Thomas would become an out and out monster like his father except for Justine.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 07, 2020, 08:55:26 PM ---Thomas would become an out and out monster like his father except for Justine.
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And Harry as well, remember when Thomas broke with his family and went to live with Harry he tried very hard not to feed to the point of starvation. That is when he came up with the solution of being a hair dresser, he could snack all day on his clients, be full at the end of it, give pleasure and do no harm. Actually those early days together demonstrate how little Harry understood White Court Vamps, if I remember correctly he had hope that Thomas could get along without feeding.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 07, 2020, 03:53:10 PM ---Imagine a spell so large it requires 5 wizards to anchor it each with affinities to each of the objects. As a weapon Harry would have the Athame, Carlos the Grail, Listens to Wind the Shroud, leaving the Crown of Thorns and Placard to others. If I am right and the Crown is Thorn manacles for a god, and the Placard a communicator (both to the person afflicted and the world), you would need Wizards with affinities in those areas, GateKeeper and the Merlin perhaps? This could kill the older participants.
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If that's the way it's going, I think it would be cool if all the wizards were "young." Elaine could work for the Shroud or Placard because we've seen her use memory as a weapon, so she's probably apt at the mental communication magic, and we've seen her use healing magic.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 07, 2020, 08:06:19 PM ---No, she had sex with another person, that ended her protection, then her and Thomas could touch each other and have sex without him getting burned.
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When they had sex again, it is assumed the protection was reacquired. Why do you think it wasn't?
--- Quote from: Mira on August 07, 2020, 08:06:19 PM ---It doesn't apparently, because the Hunger in the embryo is feeding off of Justine.
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Apparently? No, it isn't apparent.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 07, 2020, 08:06:19 PM ---If she still had true love's protection, it couldn't do that, it would burn it.
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How do you know? This is just a bald assertion. Others have given reasons why this could not be the case. To counter that, you need to give reasons; not bald assertions.
Mira:
--- Quote ---How do you know? This is just a bald assertion. Others have given reasons why this could not be the case. To counter that, you need to give reasons; not bald assertions.
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True love is so powerful that even touching the wedding ring of someone or a rose given to someone with true love protection will burn.. Justine had sex with that girl, thus canceling her protection, that is clearly stated through out the books and that was her motive in bringing the girl home to introduce her to Thomas, they had sex, then she and Thomas could touch each other without him getting burned and thus have sex. Thomas himself said that the embryo's Hunger will feed off of Justine, that is on page three of Peace Talks. Justine isn't protected any more, that isn't a bald assertion, those are the rules that Jim has set down.. Have sex with another, you lose your true love protection from the Hunger demon feeding on you. If the embryo has the seed of the Hunger inside it, there is nothing to stop it from feeding on Justine.
--- Quote ---When they had sex again, it is assumed the protection was reacquired. Why do you think it wasn't?
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When Thomas fed off of Justine the first few times, she was just food, then he fell in love with her and he could no longer touch her. Remember she used to wear a special rubber suit so he could put his arms around her? Then in Ghost Story she had sex with another, that ended her protection.. Since Thomas was still have sex with her, she got pregnant after all, she has no protection it wasn't acquired.
--- Quote --- It doesn't apparently, because the Hunger in the embryo is feeding off of Justine.
Apparently? No, it isn't apparent.
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To Thomas it is, on page three of Peace Talks, he says clearly no if ands or buts, that the baby's hunger was going to feed off of Justine until it was born. And that this weakens the mother to the point where less than fifty percent survive giving birth.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 09, 2020, 11:37:17 PM ---True love is so powerful that even touching the wedding ring of someone or a rose given to someone with true love protection will burn.. Justine had sex with that girl, thus canceling her protection, that is clearly stated through out the books and that was her motive in bringing the girl home to introduce her to Thomas, they had sex, then she and Thomas could touch each other without him getting burned and thus have sex. Thomas himself said that the embryo's Hunger will feed off of Justine, that is on page three of Peace Talks. Justine isn't protected any more, that isn't a bald assertion, those are the rules that Jim has set down.. Have sex with another, you lose your true love protection from the Hunger demon feeding on you. If the embryo has the seed of the Hunger inside it, there is nothing to stop it from feeding on Justine.
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The others reasoning is that the embryo demon is different. Nothing you say addresses that.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 09, 2020, 11:37:17 PM ---When Thomas fed off of Justine the first few times, she was just food, then he fell in love with her and he could no longer touch her. Remember she used to wear a special rubber suit so he could put his arms around her? Then in Ghost Story she had sex with another, that ended her protection.. Since Thomas was still have sex with her, she got pregnant after all, she has no protection it wasn't acquired.
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Why does Justine keep bringing girls to Thomas for them to have sex with? Why did she say "rinse and repeat?" Why does the trailer show them not having direct physical contact. You're ignoring the point everyone's bringing up.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 09, 2020, 11:37:17 PM ---To Thomas it is, on page three of Peace Talks, he says clearly no if ands or buts, that the baby's hunger was going to feed off of Justine until it was born. And that this weakens the mother to the point where less than fifty percent survive giving birth.
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You say that Justine doesn't have true love protection, the baby can feed off of Justine, therefore Justine doesn't have true love protection. Both of your premises are assumptions and you're conclusion is one of your premises.
Thomas says the demon feeds off the mother. How many wamps have been carried by one with true love protection? I highly doubt that number is equal to or greater than 1. Thomas may not have even thought about it. Further, as others have pointed out, as the demon baby isn't using lust to feed, true love protection might be meaningless to it.
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