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Mantles and death curses
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't think it's quite that simple. Harry in GS is an unusual case for at least two reasons - he's in an odd state of being due to Uriel messing with things, and he has access to Soulfire.
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He also didn't throw a death curse, most likely because he was only mostly dead.. Being a suicide might have something to do with it also, even if it was on a subconscious level, his memory being blocked.
--- Quote ---I think Mavra draws on the same "dark" energy necromancers use.
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Since she is more in the tradition of Dracula I believe she is one walking dead, I think that is very true.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 01, 2020, 02:57:52 AM ---I don't think an actual soul is needed, since apparently Mavra could possibly use a death curse, and she wouldn't have a soul now.
I think a death curse is just using up all your energy to the point that you die (usually life energy, but for a BCV spellcaster like Mavra, the dark deathly energy that animates her body.)
Harry's heart stops briefly (until Michael saves him) after putting too much energy into a spell in GP. So I'm not sure a death curse is all that "special" except in its consequences; it might just be a more extreme version of powering a spell with your own energy.
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I agree with your analysis as to what a death curse likely is.
I'd just like to point out that Mavra might not be able to throw a death curse, and we definitely don't know that she can.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on August 01, 2020, 04:48:20 AM ---I agree with your analysis as to what a death curse likely is.
I'd just like to point out that Mavra might not be able to throw a death curse, and we definitely don't know that she can.
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Yeah, it's not certain. BR also has that bit about the Black Court going back to the dawn of humanity, which we now know is way off.
But ... I'll have to re-read BR, but I think Harry and Eb discuss it. Even though we don't know the "magic mechanics" of a death curse in detail, Eb should. So if it were impossible in "magic mechanics" terms for a non-mortal to have a death curse, I think Eb would know that.
That still doesn't necessarily mean Mavra can (not sure Eb or Harry have a good gauge on how powerful she actually is; and there might be a difference between her being an actual full Council-level wizard who's now a BCV, vs. a sorcerer or other less skilled practitioner who's now boosted by "dark energy".)
But I'm pretty skeptical of it being just a mortal-wizard thing.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 01, 2020, 05:03:54 AM ---I think Eb would know that.
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But I'm pretty skeptical of it being just a mortal-wizard thing.
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The only time we've heard of a death curse happening is with mortal wizards. We've only heard it mentioned in relation to a non mortal with Mavra. Eb should know if he's at least heard of a non mortal using a death curse. Alternatively, he should know it's unlikely if he's never even heard of it.
ClintACK:
Eb was a bit sketchy all around in Blood Rites.
I mean, why the heck do you put the White Council's heaviest hitter on wheelman duty?
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