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Mantles and death curses

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BrainFireBob:
Random bit.

Say there is a wizard with one of the “immortal” mantles.
Say said wizard is backed into a corner and uses a death curse.
Will the mantle re-form the wizard?

I am curious regarding Cowl in this regard.

Mira:


  I don't think so.  The death curse is something a wizard "throws" as he or she is dying, and dies.
  Once the holder is dead, the mantle moves on, or is held like supposedly Alfred did, until a suitable
new holder showed up, Harry.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Ugh reformed wizard, Harry Spam,

ClintACK:
I *think* it wouldn't work -- an immortal mantle holder wouldn't get to throw a death curse.

I *think* a death curse takes the burst of energy that accompanies a soul leaving for the afterlife (the burst of energy that can sometimes create a ghost) and uses it to power a magical spellform that the wizard prepares just before dying.

The "death" of an immortal shouldn't produce that burst of energy. (Although it might if they die at a conjunction, depending on how much soul they have left.)

vultur:

--- Quote from: ClintACK on July 31, 2020, 05:37:39 PM ---I *think* a death curse takes the burst of energy that accompanies a soul leaving for the afterlife

--- End quote ---

I don't think an actual soul is needed, since apparently Mavra could possibly use a death curse, and she wouldn't have a soul now.

I think a death curse is just using up all your energy to the point that you die (usually life energy, but for a BCV spellcaster like Mavra, the dark deathly energy that animates her body.)

Harry's heart stops briefly (until Michael saves him) after putting too much energy into a spell in GP. So I'm not sure a death curse is all that "special" except in its consequences; it might just be a more extreme version of powering a spell with your own energy.

So I would imagine that it might be possible, but the energy of the Mantle would be inaccessible. So Molly might be able to do a death curse, but it would be just the power level you would expect from Molly-the-wizard, not Molly-the-Winter-Lady.

I suppose there's also the possibility that the soul would pass on to the afterlife but then the Mantle would re-generate the being (so a Winter Lady that looked just like Molly would re-generate, but Molly's soul would be gone).

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