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The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Bacail on July 30, 2020, 02:57:14 PM ---There is evidence that Odin worship may have come about in the Bronze Age (3000-1200 BCE) and Merlin was said to live in the middle to late 6th century CE.  Bit of a gap.

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wodan, the earliest form of Odin, didn't come around until iirc 8th century. Soooo 🤷‍♂️ different name origin, different identity, probably the old Odin, which supports him being replaced then eh.

Bacail:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 30, 2020, 03:19:06 PM ---wodan, the earliest form of Odin, didn't come around until iirc 8th century. Soooo 🤷‍♂️ different name origin, different identity, probably the old Odin, which supports him being replaced then eh.

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"Odin appears as a prominent god throughout the recorded history of Northern Europe, from the Roman occupation of regions of Germania (from c.  2 BCE) through the tribal expansions of the Migration Period (4th to 6th centuries CE) and the Viking Age (8th to 11th centuries CE)."

That's just from when the Romans decided to go poke that particular bear.  there is more evidence that he was worshiped for hundreds, possibly a 1000 years before that.  It's hard to pin down because those tribes back then mostly used Oral Tradition for a lot of things. 

The_Sibelis:
". Odin probably originated in the myths of early Germanic peoples, who called him Wodan"
"Odin appears in many stories as a womaniser, even boasting of his affairs, reminiscent of (and perhaps inspired by?) Zeus from Greek mythology."
"recorded history of Northern Europe, from the Roman occupation of regions of Germania (from c.  2 BCE) through the tribal expansions of the Migration Period (4th to 6th centuries CE) and the Viking Age (8th to 11th centuries CE). In the modern period the rural folklore of Germanic Europe continued to acknowledge Odin."
"narratives regarding Odin are mainly found in Old Norse works recorded in Iceland, primarily around the 13th century. These texts make up the bulk of modern understanding of Norse mythology."
"the Ęsir as a group, which includes both Thor and Odin, were late introductions into Northern Europe and that the indigenous religion of the region had been Vanic"
My scholars disagree with your scholars 🤷‍♂️

Arjan:
It is difficult to tell when the worship of Odin/Wodan started but it seems to me that the rise of his cult was parallel with the rise of Germanic royalty because he is the god of kings and high nobility and their warriors.

All Anglo-Saxon kings according to Bede descended from Woden for example.

Those kings gained power because of continuous roman pressure (and opportunity for plunder) which resulted in bigger states with more centralized power. But he might have been a less important god before that. Also Tacitus might have referred to him but because of roman interpretation of foreign gods it is difficult to be sure.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Germanic-religion-and-mythology/Mythology

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: Arjan on July 30, 2020, 04:30:06 PM ---It is difficult to tell when the worship of Odin/Wodan started but it seems to me that the rise of his cult was parallel with the rise of Germanic royalty because he is the god of kings and high nobility and their warriors.

All Anglo-Saxon kings according to Bede descended from Woden for example.

Those kings gained power because of continuous roman pressure (and opportunity for plunder) which resulted in bigger states with more centralized power. But he might have been a less important god before that. Also Tacitus might have referred to him but because of roman interpretation of foreign gods it is difficult to be sure.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Germanic-religion-and-mythology/Mythology

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Yes, I've seen speculation that Tyr was actually the pre-eminent Scandic deity, once upon a time, before Odin rose to prominence.

On Dresden: I have been expecting for a long time that beneath all the mantles will be someone surprising. Balor is my most recent guess, but I'm not tossing out Gilgamesh. Heck, given Norse traditions revolving around how he learned seidr, might be a woman under there.

Mavra's the only other character as mysterious- why did she let Dresden go with a lesson, of all things? Did she not want the Blackstaff to make it personal and knew of the relationship? Is she family?

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