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Yuillegan:
In Peace Talks Harry says Vadderung looks rather sinister with his eye patch on.

Jim also tends to describe his darker "Mirror Mirror" universe with everyone being a darker version with eye patches and goatees.

Then there is the fact that Odin was actually a rather sinister and scary god in his day. Animal and human sacrifice was common, particularly by hanging (he is often known as the Gallows God - also because he hung himself). He was also considered mad and dangerous. Thor was the god of the common folk, and while the people respected Odin it was Thor who had their hearts. Odin was the god of death, battle, victory, prophecy, magic and wisdom. Berserkers (warriors who went into psychotic rages in battle that made them feel no pain and think they were animals...often through psychedelics) prayed to him and he was known for being a fickle god who might suddenly throw his weight behind the opposite side. He was jealous, power mad and vengeful. He often tricked others and played gambits on them.

Which flies in the face of the Vadderung we know. Vadderung supposedly walked among mortals as Beowulf and created a warrior culture. He also taught the original Merlin and clearly was involved with the creation of the White Council, an organization that has on the whole probably done more good than bad for humanity. He fights against the really bad guys, against Outsiders and monsters and Fallen. He also masquerades as the jolly Kringle. Not to mention he has helped Harry a lot when he really needed it and taken out the bad guys.

So is he really a bad guy? Was everything he has done to help Harry actually to unmake the world? Is it all a big con?

My gut says no. I think it's possible he wasn't always so nice...and perhaps Harry will find out some uncomfortable truths about him. Ethniu used to respect him - which says a lot if you think about it. Perhaps he has reformed a lot too.

But then again maybe that's just sells the con further. Maybe the Grey Council is really the Black Council. Maybe it's all murky.

The_Sibelis:
I have this old theory vadderung is actually Thor, not the original Odin per se. Trying to remember the details... The name is one, father of thunder, technically he fathered Thor, whose lightning, and lightning gives birth to thunder. I could be wrong but I don't remember Odin having a weather motif, but it storms when he shows up in CH. And indeed, Thor usually replaces his father as the all-father, least in marvel lol.

Yuillegan:
I remember that theory. It's just that Jim said Thor is playing college football right now so it doesn't track. Not to mention Vadderung fits the Odin profile. I don't think it's odd that it storms when he shows up...I think that was literally more for atmosphere in the scene. But even if he did cause a storm, I don't think just because he isn't the god of storms doesn't mean he can't. Titania can do weather changes too etc.

The_Sibelis:
Titania makes sense as a weather Goddess though, especially considering what Mab does to the weather.(and their combined connection to older weather Goddesses) When did Jim say he's playing college football?!? Haven't heard that one before... The thing is, when he leaves pretty sure the storm goes with him, then it's just the fog HHWB4 brings in.

Mercutio:
He does act kinder in the Dresdenverse than he is typically shown to be in Norse mythos, but that could be from carrying Kringles Mantle assuming it wasn't his to begin with.

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