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Christmas Eve and Peace Talks theory (spoilers)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 10, 2020, 11:57:52 PM --- That had more to do with faith than the articles themselves. Also if you will remember it was Jesus who performed the miracles not an article of clothing or object.
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And the apostles. And the saints. And the martyrs, And the relics. Early Christianity is full of it. It is all gods power of course but stories are important for converting people.
--- Quote ---As a close friend who knows what he has been through, she'd have been there if she could. Whether Harry and her were living together or not shouldn't make any difference. I think it is very significant the list of who did show up and went out of their way to show kindness to Harry. Or they don't, Murphy has a history of wanting to deal with those kinds of struggles alone, she'd push Harry away big time.No, she isn't helping because she isn't there.
Yes, and Harry could also sprout wings and fly if Jim wanted it, the question comes down to whether or not it would improve the story if he did it that way.
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He did it with Michael and it went quite well. The point was that there are several avenues if he wants to that are far better than coins and I believe Jim can make them work.
But Karen does not want to so I believe she will settle down in the end. That is what most people do who survive to an old age and Karen is smart enough to understand that. She is not just driven by her emotions.
She has always been realistic and rational. Yes she will turn up when Harry needs her because she is a good friend but that won’t stop her main story line.
The idea that she suddenly throws all her brains aside because she can not get older like a sort of midlife crisis in overdrive is somewhat out of character.
--- Quote ---Maeve's "Mommy" issues may have been the preexisting condition that made her vulnerable to the infection in the first place. Thus once the infection got a foot hold it was no longer possible to cure her unlike Lea.
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Because Lea kept fighting. She had the will to do so. Not free will but a strong will. Maeves mommy issues motivated her to make a deal and stop fighting.
--- Quote ---I think you have to set Vadderung apart, he is considered a god, so for him the question of will or free will quite different.
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The red king also had a strong will. Mother winter pinned Harry down with her will. I do not think you have to set gods aside, they still are in the same universe. My point was that absence of free will does not mean absence of will.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 10, 2020, 09:09:22 PM ---Will and Free will are not the same. Lack of free will does not mean weak willed. It just means that their will is constrained in some way by their nature.
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I'll agree there - "willpower" is not the same thing as Dresdenverse Free Will, which is about being able to act against and/or change your nature.
The issue I have is that Lea and Maeve are both high-ranking members of the Winter Court, heavily defined by opposition to the Outsiders. It seems to me that the nature of the Winter Lady ought to be utterly opposed to Nemesis, so not fighting it to the greatest degree possible ought to have been against her nature - and thus required Free Will.
--- Quote ---I think she kept much of her personality intact. It was just not a nice personality.
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Oh there's definitely some of her personality left, but from what Bob says... after 150 years she really shouldn't be able to act against the dictates of the Mantle...
--- Quote from: Mira on July 10, 2020, 11:57:52 PM ---As a close friend who knows what he has been through, she'd have been there if she could. Whether Harry and her were living together or not shouldn't make any difference. I think it is very significant the list of who did show up and went out of their way to show kindness to Harry.
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I see what you're saying, but the story time span is very limited. I'm sure Harry and Murphy would do *something* Christmas-y together if they're still together at the time of the story, but for all we know that could be the next day.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I see what you're saying, but the story time span is very limited. I'm sure Harry and Murphy would do *something* Christmas-y together if they're still together at the time of the story, but for all we know that could be the next day.
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If she is still alive... I don't think she is.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 11, 2020, 11:03:00 AM ---If she is still alive... I don't think she is.
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There is a more simple reason why she did not turn up. It would have been a spoiler. Especially for those who want her dead.
But really she is upstairs. She is just asleep because well wounded, tired and a demanding partner. Charity is asleep as well. She had to prepare all that food.
Or Charity and Karen are upstairs chatting. Also possible.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 11, 2020, 11:41:04 AM ---There is a more simple reason why she did not turn up. It would have been a spoiler. Especially for those who want her dead.
But really she is upstairs. She is just asleep because well wounded, tired and a demanding partner. Charity is asleep as well. She had to prepare all that food.
Or Charity and Karen are upstairs chatting. Also possible.
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It is possible, but I am sorry but that doesn't account for it. Have you ever suffered a really close loss and then did your best to carry on through the holidays for others? I have, and that is the mood I am getting here. Yes, a lot of people have suffered and died, but that doesn't account for it over all. It is a very close personal loss, and Harry is carrying on because it isn't just him anymore.
Harry's focus is little Maggie, because life goes on, to do nothing and curl up would be worse. If Murphy was upstairs chatting with Charity? Harry's mood would be much lighter, hell, so would Michael's. No, it isn't just the thousands that suffered and died, it is a personal loss. Could either Eb or Thomas dying account for it? Yes, and I've said that, but all the more reason if she could, for Murphy to be at his side handing him a wrench,wisdom, and comfort, not just Mouse. She is not, that is significant.
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