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Christmas Eve and Peace Talks theory (spoilers)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 11, 2020, 12:20:37 PM --- It is possible, but I am sorry but that doesn't account for it. Have you ever suffered a really close loss and then did your best to carry on through the holidays for others? I have, and that is the mood I am getting here. Yes, a lot of people have suffered and died, but that doesn't account for it over all. It is a very close personal loss, and Harry is carrying on because it isn't just him anymore.
Harry's focus is little Maggie, because life goes on, to do nothing and curl up would be worse. If Murphy was upstairs chatting with Charity? Harry's mood would be much lighter, hell, so would Michael's. No, it isn't just the thousands that suffered and died, it is a personal loss. Could either Eb or Thomas dying account for it? Yes, and I've said that, but all the more reason if she could, for Murphy to be at his side handing him a wrench,wisdom, and comfort, not just Mouse. She is not, that is significant.
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We are talking of maybe hundreds or even more wounded and dead and Harry feels guilty about it. He got them into it or accepted their help. He must have known many of them and he learned to know them better just before they died. Of course he is down, Molly is quite correct here but Molly wouldn't talk that way if Karen was dead because of him. That would have been far more dramatic.
I think the reason Karen did not show up is quite simple and has nothing to do with her status at the end of Battle Ground and everything to do with Jim not wanting us to know what her status is. It is to prevent spoilers.
We are only shown people who we knew would survive. I would not draw conclusions based on who was there or not.
Mira:
--- Quote ---We are talking of maybe hundreds or even more wounded and dead and Harry feels guilty about it. He got them into it or accepted their help. He must have known many of them and he learned to know them better just before they died. Of course he is down, Molly is quite correct here but Molly wouldn't talk that way if Karen was dead because of him. That would have been far more dramatic.
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Murphy doesn't have to be dead because of him.. What Molly did takes some of the pain away for all of those dying and getting hurt.. However that doesn't take away the personal pain of losing someone that close. It is hard to explain, Molly's gesture helps with Harry's pain/ guilt over the many.. However nothing is going to relieve him of the pain of loss of one or more of the three I mentioned. There is nothing dramatic she can do or say at this point in time, that is why the sisterly kiss. That speaks volumes..
She is saying, "I'm so sorry for your loss.." Because there are no words beyond that for the pain.
--- Quote ---I think the reason Karen did not show up is quite simple and has nothing to do with her status at the end of Battle Ground and everything to do with Jim not wanting us to know what her status is. It is to prevent spoilers.
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Again, possible, but I might also point out he pointedly warns about spoilers before we go to read it. That is my point, I think most of us had a good idea from what Jim has said the last couple of years that it was a given, lots of death and mayhem in Peace Talks, we didn't know about Battleground yet.. So no, he isn't spelling out who died, perhaps I am reading too much into it from personal pain from loss, but because of that, to me, the whole story reeks of Harry grieving and trying to carry on, and not over the thousands, but over the one, two, or three closest to him who are now dead.
--- Quote ---We are only shown people who we knew would survive. I would not draw conclusions based on who was there or not.
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True, however one can come up with good reasons why Thomas or Eb wouldn't be there, but not so much Murphy save perhaps she is so badly injured she is still in the hospital. However the personal condolences, even from Mab for goodness sake, says one or more of the above is dead.
Walter the skull:
I hope this is ok to say.
I think we're being messed with here. Someone who may know something may be stirring the pot. CaptMurphy maybe someone's sock. He or she only made the profile 12 minutes before they posted. Sarek's comment about the thread taking days to approve doesn't mesh with that. Perhaps he knows captMurphy in RL in that case it makes sense. Again this is just my opinion, and isn't meant to be negative towards captMurphy or Serek.
That being said, its always fun to discuss this stuff, so regardless of who the original poster is let's keep going.
I hope she survives and just has to learn to live with her new situation, and that it is used as an opportunity for her character to grow. I think something will happen to heal her in end trilogy.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Walter the skull on July 12, 2020, 12:49:04 AM ---I hope this is ok to say.
I think we're being messed with here. Someone who knows something is stirring the pot. CaptMurphy is someone's sock. He or she only made the profile 12 minutes before they posted. Sarek's comment about the thread taking days to approve doesn't mesh with that. Perhaps he knows captMurphy in RL in that case it makes sense.
That being said, its always fun to discuss this stuff, so regardless of who the original poster is let's keep going.
I hope she survives and just has to learn to live with her new situation, and that it is used as an opportunity for her character to grow. I think something will happen to heal her in end trilogy.
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Of course it is okay say what you are saying, and it is an upsetting topic to be sure. However I don't think we are being messed with in any way. There was nothing wrong with Capt Murphy's post, who dies, especially Murphy has been a topic passed back and forth for a few years now. A big clue that Capt Murphy isn't trying to mess with anyone is if you read the posts they have been respectful through out. Of course the moderators wouldn't have it any other way, but we've all seen things get pretty heated, that hasn't happened here.
I think these next two books are going to be pivotal to the series, and perhaps not with totally happy endings. Me fears we may lose more than one favorite character by the end of Battle Ground. Christmas Eve strongly hints at that, and that is what Capt Murphy was trying to express I believe.
Walter the skull:
Mira: Perhaps my word choices were poor. I didn't mean to imply anything nefarious. Everyone one here is pretty nice. I'm enjoying the opportunity to discuss DF.
I too went back reread Christmas eve shortly after the sample chapters started being posted. I'm concerned about her lack of mention and Thomas's lack of mention. I like them both.
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