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Christmas Eve and Peace Talks theory (spoilers)
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 08, 2020, 04:13:19 PM ---Snakeboy’s death curse “die alone!” Will probably mean Harry will never have a long-term romantic relationship.
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Technically, he's already fulfilled that. The curse even echoed when he was shot.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 10, 2020, 07:39:24 PM ---That isn't the point, it didn't matter if it was fake or not, the message was those relics were not meant to be used for healing.
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Which is strange because in early christianity miracles were essential. It was about demonstrating the power of christ to gain converts.
--- Quote ---Exactly, if Murphy dies, he has a job for her soul along side her father.
Problem with that Murphy isn't Michael. Where as Michael is happy with God's retirement plan. I don't think Murphy will ever accept it. Her cutting off that cast in the trailer is an example of it. I am not sure that making Murphy a wisdom guru is the best idea for her either.
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People grow older and sooner or later they accept that. Including very active people, Karen is not different. That is life.
--- Quote ---And always a price, which may be why Murphy isn't helping Harry put that bike together on Christmas Eve.
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Probably the same reason Michael is not helping Harry to put that bike together. It is Harry's task.
--- Quote ---I think that is a reach.. Listen to Wind is a medicine man/shaman and a real medical doctor, most of the treatments we've seen him perform have been standard medical care. The closest to magical "cures" though it was mostly to stop pain was the thing that Eb put on Harry's wrist when it was so badly burned by Mavra back in Blood Rites.. However if it did any healing, it was very little. The Alphas are shape shifters as is Listen to Wind, but it is their own bodies they manipulate not that of others.
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Listen to wind is not a mere alpha, he could do it if Jim wanted it.
Or Molly might want to help. She can not help for free but she might create the circumstances, there are ways to work around that.
--- Quote ---Mab also became aware of the infection in Lea soon enough to treat it, what is more for Lea to still be aware enough to let her treated. In Maeve's case it had just gone too far and had taken over and the only solution for her was death.
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It was still possible if Maeve on one level wanted it. That was the difference between Maeve and Lea. Lea tried to fight it and when that failed she was ashamed for it and went to Mab, see her explanation to Molly about what that shame meant for her in Changes. It was that will to stay herself that made it possible for Mab to cure Lea, see Sarissa's explanation at the end of Cold Days.
Maeve embraced the infection as a way to solve her Mommy issues. Sarissa asked her and told her she could be cured as well but Maeve did not want to.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 10, 2020, 07:39:24 PM ---And always a price, which may be why Murphy isn't helping Harry put that bike together on Christmas Eve.
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I'm not sure how much weight we should put on Murphy not being there on Christmas Eve. Even if Harry and Murphy's relationship is intact after PT/BG, I am not sure they would be living together by Christmas. There's only 10 months between SG and "Christmas Eve". Susan and Harry didn't move in together and they were dating longer than that.
And Harry might be more cautious now with Maggie (say if Murphy moved in, Maggie started seeing her as family, and then things went bad...)
--- Quote ---I think that is a reach.. Listen to Wind is a medicine man/shaman and a real medical doctor, most of the treatments we've seen him perform have been standard medical care. The closest to magical "cures" though it was mostly to stop pain was the thing that Eb put on Harry's wrist when it was so badly burned by Mavra back in Blood Rites.. However if it did any healing, it was very little.
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Yes, magical healing in the Dresdenverse seems very limited when done by mortal wizards. The Fae seem a lot better at it - might be because their magic is more life/nature oriented, but I think a lot of it is that the Second Law makes study of the field questionable (much like the White Council's terrible mental defense training pre-TC).
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 10, 2020, 08:27:07 PM ---It was still possible if Maeve on one level wanted it. That was the difference between Maeve and Lea. Lea tried to fight it and when that failed she was ashamed for it and went to Mab, see her explanation to Molly about what that shame meant for her in Changes. It was that will to stay herself that made it possible for Mab to cure Lea, see Sarissa's explanation at the end of Cold Days.
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The "will" question is somewhat interesting here since the Fae generally do not have free will.
Possibly the issue was that Maeve was born a changeling and thus had some lingering degree of mortal personality under her Fae Mantle, even after the Choice (CD implies that there is a tiny trace left even in Mab...). The nature of the Winter Fae would presumably be absolutely opposed to Nemesis, as they are anti-Outsider, so Lea and Sith fought against it. But Maeve might be a tiny bit less constrained by her nature, so didn't really fight it since it fit her goals.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 10, 2020, 08:44:24 PM ---The "will" question is somewhat interesting here since the Fae generally do not have free will.
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Will and Free will are not the same. Lack of free will does not mean weak willed. It just means that their will is constrained in some way by their nature. Vadderung has a very strong will as shown in Changes.
--- Quote ---Possibly the issue was that Maeve was born a changeling and thus had some lingering degree of mortal personality under her Fae Mantle, even after the Choice (CD implies that there is a tiny trace left even in Mab...). The nature of the Winter Fae would presumably be absolutely opposed to Nemesis, as they are anti-Outsider, so Lea and Sith fought against it. But Maeve might be a tiny bit less constrained by her nature, so didn't really fight it since it fit her goals.
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We know that Maeve did not do her job for about 150 years and Molly has to work very hard because of that. I think she kept much of her personality intact. It was just not a nice personality.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Which is strange because in early christianity miracles were essential. It was about demonstrating the power of christ to gain converts.
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That had more to do with faith than the articles themselves. Also if you will remember it was Jesus who performed the miracles not an article of clothing or object.
--- Quote ---I'm not sure how much weight we should put on Murphy not being there on Christmas Eve. Even if Harry and Murphy's relationship is intact after PT/BG, I am not sure they would be living together by Christmas. There's only 10 months between SG and "Christmas Eve". Susan and Harry didn't move in together and they were dating longer than that.
And Harry might be more cautious now with Maggie (say if Murphy moved in, Maggie started seeing her as family, and then things went bad...)
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As a close friend who knows what he has been through, she'd have been there if she could. Whether Harry and her were living together or not shouldn't make any difference. I think it is very significant the list of who did show up and went out of their way to show kindness to Harry.
--- Quote ---People grow older and sooner or later they accept that. Including very active people, Karen is not different. That is life.
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Or they don't, Murphy has a history of wanting to deal with those kinds of struggles alone, she'd push Harry away big time.
--- Quote ---Probably the same reason Michael is not helping Harry to put that bike together. It is Harry's task.
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No, she isn't helping because she isn't there.
--- Quote ---Listen to wind is not a mere alpha, he could do it if Jim wanted it.
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Yes, and Harry could also sprout wings and fly if Jim wanted it, the question comes down to whether or not it would improve the story if he did it that way.
--- Quote ---It was still possible if Maeve on one level wanted it. That was the difference between Maeve and Lea. Lea tried to fight it and when that failed she was ashamed for it and went to Mab, see her explanation to Molly about what that shame meant for her in Changes. It was that will to stay herself that made it possible for Mab to cure Lea, see Sarissa's explanation at the end of Cold Days.
Maeve embraced the infection as a way to solve her Mommy issues. Sarissa asked her and told her she could be cured as well but Maeve did not want to.
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Maeve's "Mommy" issues may have been the preexisting condition that made her vulnerable to the infection in the first place. Thus once the infection got a foot hold it was no longer possible to cure her unlike Lea.
--- Quote ---Will and Free will are not the same. Lack of free will does not mean weak willed. It just means that their will is constrained in some way by their nature. Vadderung has a very strong will as shown in Changes.
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I think you have to set Vadderung apart, he is considered a god, so for him the question of will or free will quite different.
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