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New Wag
morriswalters:
That's your WAG, I sit on mine. The age is a throw away other then to suggest that whatever Maggie had been doing all her life it must have been done somewhere where time ran slow while it ran fast in the mortal world. Margaret looked young and she captured Malcolm's heart. Or that Malcolm was a scion and he was as old as her.
What I'm seeking to do is to connect a lot of dots that Jim has laid out. There is the dinner with Eb and Margaret's friends, her escape, where Malcolm came into a picture, Harry's conception, the curse on Raith, The connection to Morgan, her death and finally Malcolm's death. And a silly image of Margaret with some type of curse ready to kill her frolicking at the Lincoln Monument while nine months pregnant.
Supply some specificity. What was the plan that Margaret was trying to sell Eb on? How did she break free? Where did she meet Malcolm. And why for God's name was she in DC?
Mira:
--- Quote ---That's your WAG, I sit on mine. The age is a throw away other then to suggest that whatever Maggie had been doing all her life it must have been done somewhere where time ran slow while it ran fast in the mortal world. Margaret looked young and she captured Malcolm's heart. Or that Malcolm was a scion and he was as old as her.
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I think that is partly true, but also consider that Harry at nearly forty is still considered a mere youth by many. I seem to remember that a wizard is considered in his or her prime at around 150 so yes,
I can see Margaret, if she hadn't suffered any injuries or illness looking a healthy young thirty something to Malcolm even if she was 170 give or take.
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What I'm seeking to do is to connect a lot of dots that Jim has laid out. There is the dinner with Eb and Margaret's friends, her escape, where Malcolm came into a picture, Harry's conception, the curse on Raith, The connection to Morgan, her death and finally Malcolm's death. And a silly image of Margaret with some type of curse ready to kill her frolicking at the Lincoln Monument while nine months
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From the sound of those dinners, or as described, it sounds like Lord Raith was also present at them. So hardly a time for planning. Also given Eb's information from Blood Rites, Malcolm came into the picture before she left Raith. Also according to Eb in Blood Rites the Wardens were ordered to arrest her on sight, to be almost instantly tried and executed. So the story told about Morgan, a dedicated
Warden if there ever was one is very odd indeed. His even asking questions first and not arresting later doesn't seem to fit at all, nor his promises to look after her baby. It could be that Morgan couldn't stomach a pregnant woman losing her head, though I know the micro story doesn't say anything about that. Or by the time Morgan caught up with her in D.C. she had changed so radically he decided to listen to what she had to say. In his journal though, Morgan doesn't say anything about when he talked to Margaret or if it was in D.C., only that he promised to protect her son.
Why was she in D.C.? Maybe because she was happy, in love, pregnant, and thought she was safe, and they were just out to have a good time. I don't think she was trying to sell Eb on any plan, where is that written?
123Chikadee:
@Mira: The 'plan' they keep talking about is from 'Changes' IIRC. Arianna, Lord Raith, Margaret, and Eb were all at a dinner party that was hosted by Lord Raith. Margaret and Eb got into an argument and from there, Arianna realized that they were related b/c they fought like family. I don't think the books ever got more specific about what said plan was but I bet it had to do w/ running a con on the council, as a way to get them to change their laws. Eb disagreed and it might be that b/c of that, it fell through.
I don't really like the idea of Malcolm being anything other than a stage magician who is interested in 'actual' magic. But I do think that Margaret planned on having a starborn before she met Malcolm, only to fall in love w/ him once she realized what a kind person he was.
Maybe they went to DC to meet Morgan? They could have met under a flag of truce, and b/c she was pregnant, Morgan decided to hear her out. From there they worked out a deal. The photo could be the few times Margaret steps out of Winter to go do something. So maybe she wasn't quite living w/ Malcolm at the time or he lived w/ her?
@morriswalters: The only thing is, that if Malcolm and Margaret were in love, then Lara or any other WCV wouldn't be able to feed from him. Though Lara could use a catspaw to assassinate him, so the point still stands. I like this idea a lot.
Malcolm may be on the side of the angels after he met Margaret, b/c Uriel saw an opportunity to help bring Harry into existence. Lea putting a hit on Malcolm could be what supposedly makes her come into conflict w/ Harry down the line, per WOJ.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The 'plan' they keep talking about is from 'Changes' IIRC. Arianna, Lord Raith, Margaret, and Eb were all at a dinner party that was hosted by Lord Raith. Margaret and Eb got into an argument and from there, Arianna realized that they were related b/c they fought like family. I don't think the books ever got more specific about what said plan was but I bet it had to do w/ running a con on the council, as a way to get them to change their laws. Eb disagreed and it might be that b/c of that, it fell through.
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I think I may have misunderstood, because the plan I was thinking about was the plan to give birth to a star born.
--- Quote --- don't really like the idea of Malcolm being anything other than a stage magician who is interested in 'actual' magic. But I do think that Margaret planned on having a starborn before she met Malcolm, only to fall in love w/ him once she realized what a kind person he was.
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I doubt it because Margaret didn't begin to change until she met Malcolm and fell in love with him.
--- Quote ---Maybe they went to DC to meet Morgan? They could have met under a flag of truce, and b/c she was pregnant, Morgan decided to hear her out. From there they worked out a deal. The photo could be the few times Margaret steps out of Winter to go do something. So maybe she wasn't quite living w/ Malcolm at the time or he lived w/ her?
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Perhaps, though I believe that she was married to Malcolm and they lived lovingly together. However as a professional magician, even a mediocre one, he had to be on the road a lot to make a living for her and the child.
--- Quote ---The only thing is, that if Malcolm and Margaret were in love, then Lara or any other WCV wouldn't be able to feed from him. Though Lara could use a catspaw to assassinate him, so the point still stands. I like this idea a lot.
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No, but that doesn't leave out other ways of murdering someone.. Lord Raith didn't kill Margaret by feeding upon her.
--- Quote ---Malcolm may be on the side of the angels after he met Margaret, b/c Uriel saw an opportunity to help bring Harry into existence. Lea putting a hit on Malcolm could be what supposedly makes her come into conflict w/ Harry down the line, per WOJ.
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What is that WOJ exactly? Just because killing Malcolm and promising to protect Harry seem to contradict each other.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 27, 2020, 08:49:39 PM --- ... However as a professional magician, even a mediocre one, he had to be on the road a lot to make a living for her and the child ...
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Not necessarily:
* Margaret could easily have grabbed a fair bit of cash and/or other resources, in departing from Papa's.
* As an experienced and powerful WC practitioner, she may well have had accounts she had set up in case she needed resources.
* Last but not least, the perennial "how do wizards earn money" thread(s) give us lots of options whereby Margaret could have easily earned plenty to live on.But it's strongly implied that Malcom was pretty poor, as Harry was growing up. So all of Margaret's financial contributions -- if any -- were on an ad-hoc basis, rather than investments/accounts that could be used on an ongoing basis.
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