The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
[Spoilers!] First chapter of PT
Mira:
--- Quote ---Uhm ... no it doesn't.
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Um, unless there is very good control, yes, it does.. This is how Lord Raith entrapped his kids, set them up so they kill their first sex partner. However you are making my point, since this is how they feed, there should be a lot of little WCvamps running around, and there are not..
--- Quote ---He isn't. There's old whats his name from Bigfoot on Campus.
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Refresh me, the memory is vague, but was the talk about sex or reproduction?
--- Quote ---Vittorio Malvora was the son of Cesarina Malvora according to the wiki. https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Vittorio_Malvora. That was my recollection.
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Again, she was the head of that House, she might be the fertile one..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 28, 2020, 05:17:18 PM --- ... He isn't. There's old whats his name from Bigfoot on Campus.
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Also Madeline & Madrigal's father wasn't Lord Raith (their papa departed from an aircraft without a parachute).
Given that they're millenia-old sex-centric vamps, I think the sheer lack of numbers, and few instances of parentage, speaks to their low fertility.
OTOH, we have Thomas & Inari -- two of Papa Raith's kids born relatively close together (only 15ish years apart, I think; and SHE was born deep into Margaret's death-curse against Papa-Raith). That would be a breeding rate of about 7 kids per century (so I suspect it was anomalous).
If we presume rough equality of M/F births, and taking the WoJ rough estimate that there were 9-10 Raith sisters (including Lara & Inari) that looks like 20ish offspring, all told.
That's a pretty low fertility... but NOT what I'd call "all but infertile" (which was how Thomas described it in the Ch.1 excerpt).
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM --- ... Refresh me, the memory is vague, but was the talk about sex or reproduction? ...
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There was a young white-court-virgin Raith proto-vamp. She WASN'T papa Raith's; she had a different daddy in the story.
didymos:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM ---This is how Lord Raith entrapped his kids, set them up so they kill their first sex partner.
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First feedings are always fatal. The subsequent ones don't have to be.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM ---Um, unless there is very good control, yes, it does.. This is how Lord Raith entrapped his kids, set them up so they kill their first sex partner.
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That wasn't the point you made or the one I responded to. You said a feeding usually ends in death. It doesn't. You're wrong. I seldom speak in such certainty on this forum because most things are speculative or there is at least an argument for it. You're simply asserting things that are contrary to the text with zero supporting arguments or evidence. You're just making stuff up. Which is fine. That's just headcanon or fan fiction. That's fine. I just think it's silly to suggest that one's headcanon or fan fiction is canon, unless the headcanon has some support somewhere.
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM ---However you are making my point, since this is how they feed, there should be a lot of little WCvamps running around, and there are not.
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There are a lot of WCvamps running around. Enough to constitute a supernatural nation with major figures from major houses. With such distinctions being made, there are likely minor figures from major houses and minor houses with respectively major and minor figures.
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM ---Refresh me, the memory is vague, but was the talk about sex or reproduction?
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I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make. Whats his name from House Raith had a daughter. He wasn't Lord Raith. Sex is an integral part of any creature that reproduces through sexual reproduction.
--- Quote from: Mira on March 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM ---Again, she was the head of that House, she might be the fertile one..
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Morris suggested that all female Whites could be completely infertile. That was what I was responding to. I thought that was clear. Lady Malvora wasn't completely infertile. Therefore all female Whites are not completely infertile.
--- Quote from: g33k on March 28, 2020, 05:52:42 PM ---There was a young white-court-virgin Raith proto-vamp.
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She wasn't neither a proto-vamp nor a virgin. That's kinda the point of the story. Not that it's germane to the current argument.
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