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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Arjan:
He had to pay back his debt, that is in his nature. In a sense Harry abused him.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 14, 2020, 08:22:31 PM ---Interesting as it is, do we really need round #N of the "Harry was/was not responsible for Kim's/Susan's fate"?
As to the microfiction, I think the last sentence "never did say goodbye" must mean either:
A) Kincaid never speaks to Ivy in private again or
B) Kincaid actually cares that he never said goodbye to Harry
But then his tough 'I don't care' act is firmly broken further up in the story, so who knows, maybe it really is B.
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C) She fired him and he left without saying goodbye.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on March 14, 2020, 06:59:12 PM ---And because of that secrecy Susan had no clue about how dangerous the whole situation was and how serious she had to take Harry's warning and how useless her precautions were.
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she should not have seen the invitation at all.
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What more, specifically, should Harry have done? That may very well be why the invitation was delivered in front of her. To force Harry into the situation at the party.
@Redepisg: I think you need to reread the scene with Kim. She repeatedly lies to Harry. Harry tells she has a tiger cage and the only reason to use a tiger cage is to catch a tiger. Kim insists that it's purely academic. She refuses to let Harry help her. He basically told her she can't succeed even if he tells her everything. That summoning whatever she's trying to summon would get her, and others, killed. If she had told Harry the truth, he would have helped her. She'd be alive, MacFinn would be alive. Murphy wouldn't have betrayed Harry. Harry would have a rich and powerful ally who could help him in the mortal realm.
I still have no idea what people expected Harry to do to convince Susan not to go to the party. He said he wasn't going to the party because he could survive pissing off the Council, but not the party.
If Seal Team Six tells you it's too dangerous for them to go in, why would you think you'd be fine?
Dina:
Exactly, Bad Alias.
Redepisg, I don't understand why you still want to blame Dresden. Is it because they are pretty women? (I kid, of course. But I seriously don't understand your reasoning to give them a pass)
--- Quote from: Avernite on March 14, 2020, 08:22:31 PM ---Interesting as it is, do we really need round #N of the "Harry was/was not responsible for Kim's/Susan's fate"?
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Oh, I haven't done it in years. It feels good to do it again :)
kbrizzle:
Some thoughts:
One of the leitmotifs of the series is personal choice & living with the consequences of those actions. If Harry has to live with his, why shouldn’t Kim & Susan live with theirs?The arguments that say Harry is responsible for their deaths are like saying Michael is responsible for Harry picking up Lasciel’s Coin in DM because Harry was never warned specifically about Shadows....
Of course Harry feels guilty about the fates of Kim & Susan - he knows they were avoidable in hindsight, had he imposed his will on both of them & abrogated theirs - in Harry’s POV this would make him no better than a lot of tyrants (especially given his background with Justin etc.).
@Arjan
I think you’re really reaching there about Harry ‘abusing’ Kincaid in any sense of the word - Kincaid is not the type of person who puts up with abuse...
The main reason I imagine Harry used Kincaid instead of Lara for his suicide is likely because Kincaid is a paid assassin. He likely had no idea asking for this would create a rift between Ivy & Kincaid - I’m also sure that if Kincaid told Harry about Ivy being left completely alone if he took the assisted suicide contract, Harry would pick someone else.
Also the Archive has been known as the Oracle in the past - perhaps this is a calculated decision made by Ivy that will eventually benefit all.
@Avernite
C. Kincaid left without saying goodbye to Ivy because he doesn’t believe this is the end of their relationship
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