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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Avernite:
I've always taken the Archive to be practical.
She uses the White Court as early humans used their various godlike demons - as powerful allies to beat off the even scarier things out there.
When the reds, the Drakuls, the blacks... when those are all gone and nicely obliviated, the Archive will still be there, and will start pondering how to rid humans of the White Court. But until that point, she'll happily use them.
kbrizzle:
I agree with @Mira’s interpretation - the Archive is neutral, but Ivy is not.
The Archive would not let Ivy help her friend Harry, so she figures out a way to point Harry in the right direction while still being vague enough about it to be able to get around the Archive’s limits.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 16, 2020, 12:27:48 PM ---There is a contradiction. Why would Ivy seek to end the Reds and not do so to the Whites. Dead is dead and murder is murder.
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Where was the opportunity to end the Whites? And I would imagine she intends to. Eventually.
@Mira: The point was made that the Archive is incapable of acting outside of neutrality because of her position as a neutral party under the Accords. Marcone is a neutral party under the Accords. If the first sentence is true, then the second sentence necessitates that Marcone is incapable of acting outside of neutrality. This is my last attempt to explain this to you.
--- Quote from: Mira on May 16, 2020, 11:22:44 AM ---I would hardly call what she said to him being spoon fed.
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Harry often has to be told things he already knows for him to realize that the knowledge is applicable to the situation at hand. That's basically what Ivy did.
--- Quote from: Mira on May 16, 2020, 11:22:44 AM ---Her core mission? Are you suggesting that she is the one who "planned" little Maggie's kidnapping so Harry would destroy the Reds?
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No. I'm saying she knew if she gave pointed Harry to Marcone, Harry would destroy the Red Court. As to her core mission, what is the purpose of the Archive? Answer that question and you will know what her core mission is.
@kbrizzle: I'm not sure Ivy is separate enough from the Archive to "trick" it.
--- Quote ---the Archive (and Ivy, the two aren’t really divisible)
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- Jim Butcher.
Also, how is the Archive neutral? Why is the Archive neutral?
Mira:
--- Quote ---@kbrizzle: I'm not sure Ivy is separate enough from the Archive to "trick" it.
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Actually there is evidence for the Host acting on her own, though the way Jim wrote the sentence it
could go either way.
Small Favor405-406
--- Quote ---"Her mother was a seventeen -year- old girl who was in love and pregnant. She hated her mother for dying and cursing her to carry the Archive when she wanted to have her own life--and she hated the child for having a lifetime of freedom ahead of her. Ivy's mother killed herself rather than carry the Archive."
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It is about timing and how quickly after death that the Archive transfers to the new Host. If it moves as fast as a Fae mantle, almost instantly,Ivy's mother did act independently, she killed herself rather than chain herself to serving the Archive. Maybe not a whole lot of independence, but enough to take her own life. If Ivy has the same amount of independence, while she may not have been able to help Harry as much as she'd like because of the Archive's refusal, she was still able to give him a helpful vague hint independently. It may also be where Harry got the idea that if he was able to suicide he could free himself of Mab in Changes. It also explains when you think of it, Ivy's emotional response to Kincaid when she fired him. Her mother was a suicide, and here Kincaid, the human closest to her all her life, helps her best friend to kill himself.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 17, 2020, 05:32:02 AM ---Where was the opportunity to end the Whites? And I would imagine she intends to. Eventually.
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It stands to reason, at least to me, that if she intended to, she would not make them a part of the conspiracy.
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