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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 16, 2020, 12:59:33 AM ---Telling him Marcone could help is giving him information. It is helping. It led directly to the destruction of the Red Court. Or is Ivy incapable of predicting that because she is completely unrelated to the Oracles?
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I'm pretty sure that was her deliberately pushing the edges of what help she could give. She couldn't tell him directly, nor could she tell him, "Marcone has the info BTW". So she went with "Maybe ask someone you hate or something" and trusted Harry to know what she was getting at.
In short, it was Ivy doing exactly what Luccio was concerned about and trying to find loopholes/workarounds in the Archives Programming.
But hey, I'm sure that's nothing to worry about and won't come back to bite Harry in the slightest.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: forumghost on May 17, 2020, 12:28:27 PM ---I'm pretty sure that was her deliberately pushing the edges of what help she could give. She couldn't tell him directly, nor could she tell him, "Marcone has the info BTW". So she went with "Maybe ask someone you hate or something" and trusted Harry to know what she was getting at.
In short, it was Ivy doing exactly what Luccio was concerned about and trying to find loopholes/workarounds in the Archives Programming.
But hey, I'm sure that's nothing to worry about and won't come back to bite Harry in the slightest.
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Well I mean, from all things we've learned, humans are strong because of Free Will. Maybe Ivy asserting the use of Free Will over the Archive will just make the Archive more capable of wiping out the bad guys.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on May 17, 2020, 05:16:25 PM ---Well I mean, from all things we've learned, humans are strong because of Free Will. Maybe Ivy asserting the use of Free Will over the Archive will just make the Archive more capable of wiping out the bad guys.
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I agree, I also think that is the source of the conflict for the Host and the Archive. It is at the heart of the "danger" Luccio was trying to explain to Harry in Small Favor. Humans have free will to act or decide, true, but it is also true that those decisions mostly have an emotional basis for them. This throws the Host in conflict with the Archive. Ivy on all kinds of emotional levels wanted to help Harry in Changes, but she was prevented by the Archive because of the rules it works under. I think the fact that she had Kincaid do most of the talking over the phone to Harry shows how it affected her emotionally. If Ivy had talked directly to Harry it would have been impossible for her in my opinion to keep her to keep emotionally remote from the fact that the Archive would not help.
In the end, Ivy did exert what free will she has to give Harry a hint that might help, I think she also benefited because she spared herself very human guilt if she hadn't helped at all. Which throws her in conflict with the Archive who'd rather she gave no hints at all. When this is all taking place with in one's head one can see where it would or could lead to madness.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 17, 2020, 11:51:11 AM ---It stands to reason, at least to me, that if she intended to, she would not make them a part of the conspiracy.
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She is not going to tell them.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 17, 2020, 05:38:14 PM --- I agree, I also think that is the source of the conflict for the Host and the Archive. It is at the heart of the "danger" Luccio was trying to explain to Harry in Small Favor. Humans have free will to act or decide, true, but it is also true that those decisions mostly have an emotional basis for them. This throws the Host in conflict with the Archive. Ivy on all kinds of emotional levels wanted to help Harry in Changes, but she was prevented by the Archive because of the rules it works under. I think the fact that she had Kincaid do most of the talking over the phone to Harry shows how it affected her emotionally. If Ivy had talked directly to Harry it would have been impossible for her in my opinion to keep her to keep emotionally remote from the fact that the Archive would not help.
In the end, Ivy did exert what free will she has to give Harry a hint that might help, I think she also benefited because she spared herself very human guilt if she hadn't helped at all. Which throws her in conflict with the Archive who'd rather she gave no hints at all. When this is all taking place with in one's head one can see where it would or could lead to madness.
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We have seen this before. Lea, the mothers, ....
They all wanted to help Harry at some point and they couldn't because of their nature. Riddles and unclear conversation are the answer to that and as pythia the archive had a lot of experience in that way of giving information.
Using that loophole is what they do.
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