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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 08, 2020, 07:56:33 PM ---Actually the Archive is bound to neutrality, that why it was asked to act/direct the duel between Harry and Ortega.
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This is either 100% wrong or pure speculation based on some reasoning you haven't expressed. She was asked to serve to mediate the duel because she's a "neutral party" under the Accords. In Small Favor, Harry "could have chosen any one of a dozen neutral arbiters." Ch. 35. Marcone is a neutral party. Are you suggesting that Marcone is "bound to neutrality," that he was "created neutral?"
As to the claim she is "bound to neutrality," I ask that you read the quote I provided, my argument based on that quote and what we know about the Archive's true purpose, and make an argument that my reasoning is flawed or give some other reasoning that you think is better instead of just saying I'm wrong.
--- Quote from: Mira on May 08, 2020, 07:56:33 PM ---she has to abide by the rules for the Archive.
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What are those rules and where did you get them from? Because the rule that we get about the Archive being bound to neutrality is from her cover story that we know for a fact is a lie.
g33k:
Can we agree that:
* The Archive -- within the context of the Accords -- is at least legally a "neutral party" regarding any other two parties?
* She is "bound" to that "neutrality" to whatever degree her being signatory to the Accords binds her.
* Her original Oblivion-War purpose will bind her more strongly than the Accords, and isn't at all a "neutral" thing: any entity that seems to threaten Mankind, and has an otherworldly origin such that it CAN be "obliviated," is on the Archive's agenda to do so -- even other Accorded parties.I do not believe the Fae can be obliviated. They are too tightly tied to the mundane world, too naturally a part of it.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: g33k on May 08, 2020, 09:01:20 PM ---The Archive -- within the context of the Accords -- is at least legally a "neutral party" regarding any other two parties?
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I was going to say yes, but I'm not sure if she is a de facto or de jure neutral party. I'm also not sure if she is a neutral party regarding any other two parties.
--- Quote from: g33k on May 08, 2020, 09:01:20 PM ---She is "bound" to that "neutrality" to whatever degree her being signatory to the Accords binds her.
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No because the "bound" language comes from the description of the Archive's essential nature. I believe agreeing to the use of the bound language for two different situations just confuses the issue when people have enough trouble with this concept when not using the same language to describe both ideas.
We don't know if neutral parties are bound to that neutrality or if they just happen to be neutral parties, so we wouldn't really even be agreeing to anything.
This is strictly an objection to form and not substance.
--- Quote from: g33k on May 08, 2020, 09:01:20 PM ---I do not believe the Fae can be obliviated. They are too tightly tied to the mundane world, too naturally a part of it.
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Thomas said that the Venatori tried but failed because of Gutenberg and the Grimm Brothers. The Venatori operate under orders from the Archive. Thus the Archive tried to obliviate the Fae. The Archive acted against multiple Accorded members without provocation.
Whether or not that task is achievable is irrelevant to the issue at hand, though it is interesting, and I'd be happy to leave this discussion behind to take that one up. I just don't have much to offer other than that if the Archive ordered it, then it is exceedingly likely that it is possible. A counter to that argument might be that the Venatori sometimes act on their own initiative.
toodeep:
What she is bound to in terms of neutrality is vague when dealing with the Accords (is it because of her position in the accords or because of what she is), but is less vague in response to Dresden's call in Changes. In response to not getting much response Harry complained and Kincaid said, "But she isn't free to share her knowledge like you or me. When she says she can't tell you, she's being literal. She physically cannot let such information leave her head." So clearly Ivy does experience some limits on what she is and isn't allowed to do with her power/knowledge from the Archive, which may be described as being required to stay neutral.
Mira:
--- Quote from: toodeep on May 12, 2020, 05:03:42 PM ---What she is bound to in terms of neutrality is vague when dealing with the Accords (is it because of her position in the accords or because of what she is), but is less vague in response to Dresden's call in Changes. In response to not getting much response Harry complained and Kincaid said, "But she isn't free to share her knowledge like you or me. When she says she can't tell you, she's being literal. She physically cannot let such information leave her head." So clearly Ivy does experience some limits on what she is and isn't allowed to do with her power/knowledge from the Archive, which may be described as being required to stay neutral.
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Exactly, which may be another reason why the Senior Council and others prefer that the host stay
mentally/emotionally detached from everyone around them.
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