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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
g33k:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 26, 2020, 12:00:07 AM --- Why wouldn't he transfer it to where it's supposed to go?
...Are you claiming that Father Forthill wants Harry to pick up Lasciel's coin? Because otherwise I don't get this sentence at all.
Yes, and we were told what that was in Skin Game, so it's irrelevant here.
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It's fairly solid canon at this point that the Denarians have infiltrated the parts of the Church responsible for tracking the Coins, supporting the Knights, etc. I think the Church ALWAYS presumes there's one or two moles, but Michael and others have remarked in recent books that too many coins have gotten away from Church control too quickly, and an unusal degree of infiltration is implied.
It has been WAG'ed that Fr. Forthill might be one of the ones who sometimes returns a coin to them.
He doesn't even have to be "corrupted" or working for them. Imagine: Nic shows up, he has an innocent in his grasp, and he says to Forthill,
--- Quote ---You have Ursiel in your church. I have Lasciel and this sweet girl right here, who hasn't touched any Coin. Give me Ursiel, and I'll give you the girl, un-touched. You know the coins are MEANT to be in circulation anyhow, you can't keep Ursiel for long, it isn't POSSIBLE. What you CAN do, is save this girl, right now.
You have 90 seconds.
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nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---It's fairly solid canon at this point that the Denarians have infiltrated the parts of the Church responsible for tracking the Coins, supporting the Knights, etc. I think the Church ALWAYS presumes there's one or two moles, but Michael and others have remarked in recent books that too many coins have gotten away from Church control too quickly, and an unusal degree of infiltration is implied.
It has been WAG'ed that Fr. Forthill might be one of the ones who sometimes returns a coin to them.
He doesn't even have to be "corrupted" or working for them. Imagine: Nic shows up, he has an innocent in his grasp, and he says to Forthill,
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Yes, but if Father Forthill returned Lasciel's coin to Nic when Harry gave it to him just after the end of White Night, then you would expect Nic to know that something had changed for Harry when he spoke to Harry in Small Favor, which he manifestly didn't.
And all this assumes that Harry gave the coin to Father Forthill instead of Michael, which we don't know, and also ignores that Michael would almost certainly "coincidentally" stumble onto something alerting him if it was Father Forthill.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Yes, but if Father Forthill returned Lasciel's coin to Nic when Harry gave it to him just after the end of White Night, then you would expect Nic to know that something had changed for Harry when he spoke to Harry in Small Favor, which he manifestly didn't.
And all this assumes that Harry gave the coin to Father Forthill instead of Michael, which we don't know, and also ignores that Michael would almost certainly "coincidentally" stumble onto something alerting him if it was Father Forthill.
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It is doubtful if he did, or let's put it this way, it would be one of the biggest shocks of the series if Father Forthill returned the coin to Nick. And yes, Harry did give the coin to Father Forthill.
White Night page 398
--- Quote ---Then I went to call Father Forthill and tell him to come over so that he could pick up the blackened denarius as soon as I dug it out of my basement.
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--- Quote ---Why wouldn't he transfer it to where it's supposed to go?
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I doubt he could just call for the UPS truck to come by for transfer. He also most likely knows that there is corruption in the Church, which makes transport of a coin all the more difficult to arrange.
--- Quote ---...Are you claiming that Father Forthill wants Harry to pick up Lasciel's coin? Because otherwise I don't get this sentence at all.
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No, he doesn't want Harry to pick up the coin.
Father Forthill didn't plan to have Harry stretched out in his office with a broken back in some future time. So if he keeps a special safe for such things in his office he would assume the coin is secure from anyone. However Harry, in the office, injured, desperate, and with the embryo of a spirit child growing in his brain, could have allowed Lasciel in her coin to exert some influence on Harry.
--- Quote ---Yes, and we were told what that was in Skin Game, so it's irrelevant here.
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Actually is was White Night page 398
Harry just played the guitar beautifully..
--- Quote ---I heard a very, very faint whisper, like an echo of Lash's voice.
Everything I can, dear host.
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That is when he called Father Forthill to come and get the coin as soon as he can get it dug up
out of his basement.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Actually is was White Night page 398
Harry just played the guitar beautifully..
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You do remember Skin Game, right? There was the whole thing where Harry was pregnant with his and Lash's kid, and it was said explicitly that that was why he could still play the guitar.
Mira:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 26, 2020, 01:02:36 PM ---You do remember Skin Game, right? There was the whole thing where Harry was pregnant with his and Lash's kid, and it was said explicitly that that was why he could still play the guitar.
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Oh yes, but do you remember how the stage was set in White Night? Context matters..
He still heard the voice in White Night, which scared him enough to get rid of the coin.. He began to have severe headaches from that point on, you do remember in Turn Coat when Morgan showed up Harry was having a migraine. Um since Lash sacrificed herself at the end of White Night that we know now he was pregnant with their child. These are facts, and facts matter.. The question is how Lasciel if she was trapped in the coin as of Changes, could still influence a wounded Harry in Father Forthill's office. I explained a theory that I have about how it came about, which I think is quite logical. Oh yes, Uriel in Ghost Story confirmed that it was Lasciel who managed to push Harry over the edge into being suicidal. So how could that be? So had Hannah Asher at that point already taken up the coin ? If she had, did Nic via Andriel find out that Harry was wounded in Father Forthill's office, let Hannah know and in turn she enabled Lasciel to do her thing? That kind of
works.. Or another is the coin was still under lock and key in Father Forthill's office at the time of Changes because for reasons already stated. Lasciel clearly wants revenge, Harry is vulnerable for the reasons already stated, it is very possible that not all lines of communication were severed with the coin when Lash sacrificed herself at the end of White Night. That is what scared him enough to dig it up and hand it over to Father Forthill at the end of White Night. Harry even boasts to Mab in Changes that he could still call up Lasciel's coin as an alternative to becoming her Knight. No one is sure if that was just bravado on his part to get a better deal or not, but he did say it. If it was true, damn right there is enough connection for Lasciel to show up and mess with Harry's already enormous guilt complex. Context matters, setting the stage matters for what is to come, so hell yeah, what happened back in White Night set the stage for what happened in Changes, and what happened there set the stage for Skin Game..
What is your theory?
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