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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
morriswalters:
It isn't clear what Harry knew. But Kim knew something about circles before she got there and had some vague idea in her mind about it, I suppose.
She was young and idealistic. Which is a bad combo. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. I can certainly cite real world examples. Mostly you get over it in your 30's. And then later in life you forget how it was when there were no perceived barriers to what was possible and you had not yet learned you could be hurt.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 29, 2020, 06:34:45 PM ---It isn't clear what Harry knew. But Kim knew something about circles before she got there and had some vague idea in her mind about it, I suppose.
She was young and idealistic. Which is a bad combo. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. I can certainly cite real world examples. Mostly you get over it in your 30's. And then later in life you forget how it was when there were no perceived barriers to what was possible and you had not yet learned you could be hurt.
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Don't forget to add hubris to that list, she had modest talent, she thought that made her equal to Harry.
Dina:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 29, 2020, 12:00:38 PM --- Thinking about this a little more, it was truly miscommunication. Kim thought she had to lie about what she needed the circle for and about MacFinn. For Harry, and this is constant all through the series, circles are for summoning and the circle kept them in. The type of circle Kim wanted kept in the most dangerous demons and beings, he had no idea that in this case the monster was already loose. He thought by not telling her, he was preventing her from summoning something that no way in hell she could handle. He was right there, there was no way in hell she could handle a Loop, she had no business trying. He tried very hard to tell her that, but she still wouldn't listen. The important information Harry didn't have was that the horrific monster was already loose and needed
his only method of protecting the world safe fixed.
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--- Quote from: Arjan on March 29, 2020, 03:16:48 PM ---Yes if Harry had known the circle was not for summoning but for containing something already here he would have reacted differently. He made a wrong assumption.
I think it also made him regard her more negatively which in turn made us regard her more negatively because we see everything through his eyes.
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I agree with all this, and I think it's an important point.
AClone:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 17, 2020, 10:08:39 PM ---Kim is dead, so whatever her sins in Harry's world she paid the price. Ditto for Susan. And Harry bears no responsibility for either of those deaths. There is nothing about his behavior in either case to improve. Would this be a cogent summation?
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Yeesh. I thought the Kincaid microfiction was an interesting topic, then I got swamped. May as well get this out of the way.
As in other threads, other subjects here, people seem to see a topic as black and white. It's not a binary solution set. Is Kim largely responsible for her own death? Yes. Is Harry partially responsible for Kim's death? Yes.
The important point being that Harry feels responsible for her death. Because...Harry.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on March 27, 2020, 02:33:40 AM ---Yep. Also that kid from Zoo Day.
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Austin, IIRC. And since he seemed to have more power than some (his summoning ability may be on a par with Molly's talent for veils and illusions), I'm wondering if Harry will have a new full time apprentice as of Peace Talks.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 28, 2020, 07:55:15 PM ---You are a minority depending on what you consider magic.
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Hah! Pardon me while I digress. I was speaking with an author who had written an urban fantasy series that seemed to include...more than its fair share of truth, based on my experiences. I mentioned what I thought was too close to "real", and the author was silent for a minute.
Then proceeded to tell me A. that my (what I thought I had imagined) "abilities" were real, B. Not to do a certain thing, because it would have a certain result (he couldn't know that I had already done that--with that result), and C. was surprised that I hadn't picked up on this being real on my own. Apparently there are...resources.
And then clammed up.
And while I looked, I still have absolutely no idea where I was supposed to look. If there is a Paranet parallel for that fictional universe, it's in a niche that isn't easily found.
Which I think the Dresden Files' Paranet would be.
Anyway, as far as the actual microfiction is concerned:
A. Yes, Ivy did indeed fire Kincaid. She didn't want to have to look at the face of someone she knew had shot her only other friend.
B. Kincaid realizes that he "didn't say good-bye" because he knows that Ivy isn't going to give him a chance to after he does what he does.
C. Having friends isn't about driving Ivy insane. It's about keeping her human, from being insane. Harry understands that.
D. The Archive/Ivy is neutral. Because we're talking "neutral" in terms of the Accords. She doesn't make alliances, or officially help people. Come to think of it, the only time we've seen her acting against anyone is when someone has violated those Accords. At which point they are dealt with. With extreme prejudice.
E. Ivy would be about 16 as of Peace Talks, right?
Just a thought, She's going to have to have a baby one day to provide her own heir. See "C" above. I don't think it's likely that she conceives artificially--or fails to raise her own child.
Mira:
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As in other threads, other subjects here, people seem to see a topic as black and white. It's not a binary solution set. Is Kim largely responsible for her own death? Yes. Is Harry partially responsible for Kim's death? Yes.
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No, since he wasn't given the right information in the first place. In my opinion, if he had given her everything she asked for, given her level of talent and experience that would have been irresponsible, the consequence would have been totally his fault.
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