The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on March 29, 2020, 05:14:10 AM ---Say I have a lot of knowledge I am doing mysterious and secretive about and clearly gives me status and power and potentially wealth. Knowledge you need to save and protect people.
Then I say you you can’t have it because it is dangerous. Does that always work with people?
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Thinking about this a little more, it was truly miscommunication. Kim thought she had to lie about what she needed the circle for and about MacFinn. For Harry, and this is constant all through the series, circles are for summoning and the circle kept them in. The type of circle Kim wanted kept in the most dangerous demons and beings, he had no idea that in this case the monster was already loose. He thought by not telling her, he was preventing her from summoning something that no way in hell she could handle. He was right there, there was no way in hell she could handle a Loop, she had no business trying. He tried very hard to tell her that, but she still wouldn't listen. The important information Harry didn't have was that the horrific monster was already loose and needed
that circle fixed to protect the world from himself.
Arjan:
Yes if Harry had known the circle was not for summoning but for containing something already here he would have reacted differently. He made a wrong assumption.
I think it also made him regard her more negatively which in turn made us regard her more negatively because we see everything through his eyes.
morriswalters:
Did Kim leave knowing more then what she knew when she got there?.
My read is that she knew there were three rings and nothing else when she hit the door. Thus her need to talk to Harry.
Harry told her what each of the three rings meant.
The question is, was that information enough to get her killed.
Bad Alias:
She "knew" the second circle was for creating a physical barrier, but yeah. Another thing that occurred to me is that when Harry describes the scene of Kim's death, he describes the greater circle as done with chalk and incense. Harry said that it required "stones or gems or something spaced between the drawings." Did Kim ignore this or was it there and Harry doesn't describe it?
My whole problem with Kim is she seems to have the league possession record for holding the idiot ball. Why did she lie? Why did she ignore everything Harry said?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on March 29, 2020, 03:16:48 PM ---Yes if Harry had known the circle was not for summoning but for containing something already here he would have reacted differently. He made a wrong assumption.
I think it also made him regard her more negatively which in turn made us regard her more negatively because we see everything through his eyes.
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Yes, the moral of the story is one shouldn't jump to conclusions, that was Harry's error. However
Kim's error was not to be truthful with him as to what her problem was. Her attitude wasn't the best, when Harry asked her how the fundraiser for her movement was going, she gave a litany of
negative things she was fighting against, ending with, "I'm just tired." I think her assumption was from the onset if Harry knew the truth, he wouldn't help, he'd just be another in a long line. So she elected to try and B.S. him, which was the wrong move, because just that alone led Harry to jump to the wrong conclusion.. Because if your need is legitimate, why lie?
--- Quote ---The question is, was that information enough to get her killed.
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I think it a bit of a moot point actually. He refused to tell her everything, she knew it and went back anyway and got killed. If he told her everything, and he was right about her level of talent, skill, and experience, she still would have failed and been killed.
Face it, she went back and still fiddled with the circle knowing she didn't have all she needed. When she stomped off she was pissed because she didn't have all the information she needed to fix the circle. Now the question becomes, did she know how dangerous MacFinn really was? If she did know, it was suicidal to go back to him. I doubt that she did know, or even if she did, it was beyond her understanding. Remember even Harry couldn't completely grasp at first what a Loop was.
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