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Traitors
Avernite:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 09, 2020, 07:54:30 AM ---Someone in another thread recently pointed out how VERY alike Lara's condemnation of the White Council was, compared to the Cowl/Kumori criticisms.
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And where Cowl and Kumori are at least assumed to be roughly human with a current age in the low 100's at most, Lara seems to be many centuries old. Kinda rich for a centuries old being to complain someone else is stuffy and not going with the times.
Yuillegan:
BrainFireBob - Number 1 changes everything and actually makes sense in a messed up way. But that would mean Vadderung wants to mess up the natural order.
#14 also very interesting, and most likely of your WAGs.
The rest are as likely as not, I think. But still very interesting!
--- Quote --- Someone in another thread recently pointed out how VERY alike Lara's condemnation of the White Council was, compared to the Cowl/Kumori criticisms.
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That was me, in the OP of this thread :)
KSG - Pretty much agree with everything your saying. I don't believe Nicodemus is good or will be good, he may sacrifice himself but I think as he was made as the Anti-Michael he is probably pretty bad.
Andi is an interesting choice... Has plenty of reasons to go bad. I like it
Snark Knight:
Personally, I don't buy #14. Lara's a bona fide monster, but an independent one.
For the Malvora / Skavis coup plot to have been set up to fail, the Black Council players would have had to predict the lynchpin event of Lash' self-sacrifice allowing Harry to stop the coup. That was out of left field for Harry himself, let alone anyone who might have been trying to use him as a cat's paw there. And Vitto showed every indication that he was going to personally enjoy killing Lara horribly, right up until Harry shot his hand off.
Peabody had ample reasons of his own to push Luccio toward Harry, without doing it to help Lara break his protection.
I really can't see Lara subordinating herself to the organization that tried to have her killed to buy peace after the coup failed, either. She's a lot scarier and more interesting as a lone wolf building a power base so nobody can ever hurt her again like her father did, with no scruples how she gets there.
And as much as her analysis of what's wrong with the Council sounds like Cowl & Kumori's, it also sounds like Harry's at times.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on February 09, 2020, 02:08:38 PM ---Nicodemus "was made as the Anti-Michael he is probably pretty bad."
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Agree. Nicodemus being redeemed is only slightly more likely than Michael being the one to betray Harry.
Technically, every White Council member in the Grey Council is a traitor.
I don't think Eb is going to be revealed to be a traitor to Harry because I feel that's basically what happened by him being the Blackstaff. Funny thing about the Blackstaff situation is that we know that it protects Eb from black magic corruption, but Harry doesn't.
I don't think Rashid is likely to be a traitor to "team reality" because I think he's in a position just hand a win to the Outsiders. Same with Harry and Mab. Rashid might betray Harry personally or the White Council generally.
I think Elaine and Andi could both go either way. I think Elaine has been purposely set up to be an obvious candidate for betrayal by Jim, but we have zero evidence that she is on the other side. We have a lot of opportunity for her to be a bad guy. She makes perfect sense as Kumori. I think she is to the reader as Harry was to the Gatekeeper in Turn Coat. I don't think she will end up being on the other side because it wouldn't be such a gut punch to the reader.
I also agree that the Merlin is a classic good guy who is also a complete ass to our protagonist.
Edit: Also, I can totally see Vaderung being a good guy open ally who ends up feeding you into a meat grinder or sets you up for a greater victory.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 09, 2020, 10:21:51 PM ---I think Elaine has been purposely set up to be an obvious candidate for betrayal by Jim, but we have zero evidence that she is on the other side. We have a lot of opportunity for her to be a bad guy. She makes perfect sense as Kumori. I think she is to the reader as Harry was to the Gatekeeper in Turn Coat. I don't think she will end up being on the other side because it wouldn't be such a gut punch to the reader.
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I'm on the fence. She fits really well as Kumori, and Morgan's suspicion that Harry might be N-fected makes the most sense if they had intel suggesting Justin turned his apprentice but Harry actually succeeded in hiding that there was a second apprentice from the Council.
But on the other hand, she helped Harry shut down Aurora's plan in SK, and she seemed genuinely committed to fighting Cowl's plan in WN. So unless she's consciously herself most of the time but Kumori is like a suppressed personality that can only take over part-time, it's kind of hard to explain her playing the long game instead of helping Nemesis get a couple big wins at minimal personal risk.
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