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Harry's use of Black Magic
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 10, 2020, 01:48:34 PM ---Or alternatively what the Ladies and Queens do is not black magic at all.
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Depends on how you define it I suppose.. Under most laws murder is a crime, but what about the few places where it isn't against the law? It is still murder, but one is punished where the other is not..
But the Courts have their own set of rules, It is against those rules for Mab to kill or harm a mortal herself, that is why she has a mortal Knight to carry out her orders.. It is a loop hole, she has a mortal hit man.. Yet since she ordered it, does it stain her?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 10, 2020, 02:04:19 PM --- Depends on how you define it I suppose.. Under most laws murder is a crime, but what about the few places where it isn't against the law?
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Murder is defined as an unlawful killing. Under Icelandic law a killing only became a murder if the killer tried to hide it and did not proclaim it as soon as possible. Murder is not just a crime against the person killed it is a crime against society.
There is a lot of terminology with a lot of different meanings for ending someones life.
--- Quote ---It is still murder, but one is punished where the other is not..
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Actually it is not if there is no law against it. That is why there is international criminal law:
https://www.roberthjackson.org/speech-and-writing/the-influence-of-the-nuremberg-trial-on-international-criminal-law/
--- Quote ---But the Courts have their own set of rules, It is against those rules for Mab to kill or harm a mortal herself, that is why she has a mortal Knight to carry out her orders.. It is a loop hole, she has a mortal hit man.. Yet since she ordered it, does it stain her?
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Not according to the councils laws of magic. You can gate in monsters and walk away. You did not kill them with your magic. It is what binder does.
There are a lot of things you can do without breaking the laws of magic. You can cause a lot of harm without breaking the laws of magic.
Maybe the fairy courts did find all the loopholes. They have a different relationship with their magic.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Murder is defined as an unlawful killing. Under Icelandic law a killing only became a murder if the killer tried to hide it and did not proclaim it as soon as possible. Murder is not just a crime against the person killed it is a crime against society.
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But what if the society is okay with it? We know under the Laws of Magic pretty much what is considered black magic.. Supposedly the Fae see things differently, so there is no black magic supposedly.. However the act itself is the same.. The Laws are imposed by society, or an outside force, but if we can believe what creates a warlock, breaking those Laws have a physical, mental, and emotional effect on the practitioner, it leaves a stain whether he/she is caught and punished or not. The very same acts are not dealt with by the Fae, so is there a stain or not?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 10, 2020, 03:43:02 PM ---But what if the society is okay with it? We know under the Laws of Magic pretty much what is considered black magic.. Supposedly the Fae see things differently, so there is no black magic supposedly.. However the act itself is the same.. The Laws are imposed by society, or an outside force, but if we can believe what creates a warlock, breaking those Laws have a physical, mental, and emotional effect on the practitioner, it leaves a stain whether he/she is caught and punished or not. The very same acts are not dealt with by the Fae, so is there a stain or not?
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Society is never ok with murder because society defines what murder is.
Morality is not a constant and we hope it improves over time. Historically it did improve over time. It is necessary if we want a liveable society with more and more people.
Magic changes over time. It is entirely possible that things that are now black did not used to be. Magic is about what people believe and it is entirely possible that centuries of wizards believing and enforcing the laws of magic made magic as it is now.
Say we made an eight law against magical torture. Is that black magic now? Will it be black magic after a few centuries? Or will it never be?
What if killing with magic was allowed in war? Same question.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 10, 2020, 05:08:42 PM ---Society is never ok with murder because society defines what murder is.
Morality is not a constant and we hope it improves over time. Historically it did improve over time. It is necessary if we want a liveable society with more and more people.
Magic changes over time. It is entirely possible that things that are now black did not used to be. Magic is about what people believe and it is entirely possible that centuries of wizards believing and enforcing the laws of magic made magic as it is now.
Say we made an eight law against magical torture. Is that black magic now? Will it be black magic after a few centuries? Or will it never be?
What if killing with magic was allowed in war? Same question.
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"By any other name does a rose smell as sweet?" So an act done by a wizard is soul staining black magic, but the exact same act done by a Fae isn't?
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