The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Harry's use of Black Magic
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 08, 2020, 05:33:03 PM ---I also think as long as she still has a human soul or piece of one Molly will suffer a stain from it.
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This is basically what I was getting at. If Molly still has the ability to "fight" the mantle, as Harry was told mantle holders in fact do, then Molly is not entirely fae. If she's not entirely fae, what is that other part? I'd say human. If she is human and uses black magic, then she can be tainted by that use. Perhaps it's such a small part that the drives of the mantel outweigh the drives of the black magic taint to the point it won't matter to her actions. I imagine it would matter to her soul.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 09, 2020, 05:57:11 PM --- I disagree, Harry is repentant about killing, but he is a soldier, sometimes lives have to be taken. I totally disagree that killing has become a mundane thing with him.
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100%.
If using magic shapes you and black magic is bad because it shapes you badly, then the Council's policy doesn't make sense. The death penalty isn't the answer. Forcing the warlock to do the opposite of whatever law the violated until "white" magic has shaped them into a good person. Additionally, the older wizards becoming fixed is largely, if not entirely, physical. That's why Luccio's body switch allowed her to be tampered with.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 09, 2020, 09:41:41 PM ---This is basically what I was getting at. If Molly still has the ability to "fight" the mantle, as Harry was told mantle holders in fact do, then Molly is not entirely fae. If she's not entirely fae, what is that other part? I'd say human. If she is human and uses black magic, then she can be tainted by that use. Perhaps it's such a small part that the drives of the mantel outweigh the drives of the black magic taint to the point it won't matter to her actions. I imagine it would matter to her soul...
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I'd like to refine your point a bit: if Black Magic is "destructive" to the soul (and I assert that it is), then both the Winter Mantle and her own predilection for warlock ways are acting in mutually-reenforcing ways to strip her soul down to virtually nothing, leaving only the Winter Lady, free to use Black Magic because the Faerie Queens ARE free of those mortal restraints.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 09, 2020, 09:41:41 PM ---... If using magic shapes you and black magic is bad because it shapes you badly, then the Council's policy doesn't make sense. The death penalty isn't the answer. Forcing the warlock to do the opposite of whatever law the violated until "white" magic has shaped them into a good person...
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I think it's like a mended point in a larger piece -- there's a sort of "structural flaw" there, a weakness that may break under stress, may degrade over time.
The claim is made to Harry that the "supposedly-Ex" warlock, sooner or later, inevitably returns to type.
I suspect they are "right" but largely because of their largely-mechanical approach to magic, with less of a spiritual component. It's a self-fulfilling Doom. They have ZERO ability to address the needs of the soul.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 10, 2020, 01:36:20 AM ---The claim is made to Harry that the "supposedly-Ex" warlock, sooner or later, inevitably returns to type.
I suspect they are "right" but largely because of their largely-mechanical approach to magic, with less of a spiritual component. It's a self-fulfilling Doom. They have ZERO ability to address the needs of the soul.
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They are mostly correct because they ignore free will which gives a good approximation of the expected results. The knights of the cross and Uriel look at the problem from a completely different angle. They are all about the importance of free will and want to give the warlock a chance.
In reality each case is different
Mira:
--- Quote ---I'd like to refine your point a bit: if Black Magic is "destructive" to the soul (and I assert that it is), then both the Winter Mantle and her own predilection for warlock ways are acting in mutually-reenforcing ways to strip her soul down to virtually nothing, leaving only the Winter Lady, free to use Black Magic because the Faerie Queens ARE free of those mortal restraints.
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Thank you, it does, and this is what ultimately destroys the souls of the Ladies and Queens.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 10, 2020, 01:40:10 PM ---Thank you, it does, and this is what ultimately destroys the souls of the Ladies and Queens.
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Or alternatively what the Ladies and Queens do is not black magic at all.
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