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Harry's use of Black Magic
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 06, 2020, 06:46:11 AM --- Part of that is maturity, part of it is the morality of her up bringing, but make no mistake, a part of her is still twisted. It is that aspect that Mab and Lea took advantage of, only time will tell whether or not it continues to twist her into someone a kin to Maeve. While Nemesis infection finally spelled madness and the end for Maeve, black magic could do exactly the same to Molly.. It's corruption doesn't stop even if she is now beyond the Council's reach.
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Harry was not finished with Molly. The process was interrupted.
Also all Molly's law violations after the first one are debatable and were already debated on this forum. It is not sure she did even break any laws as such. Also she is under winter law now and she certainly did not anything that was wrong according to those laws. And she can not break them as she is now, black magic does not work like that only nemesis can in some cases provide that.
Also she has no real issue with winters objectives. She is actually en route to become quite an efficient winter lady. The chances that she looses herself in that job are far greater than that part of her wizard power she wants to suppress anyway will take over. Her warlock days are definitively over.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 06, 2020, 12:39:42 PM ---Harry was not finished with Molly. The process was interrupted.
Also all Molly's law violations after the first one are debatable and were already debated on this forum. It is not sure she did even break any laws as such. Also she is under winter law now and she certainly did not anything that was wrong according to those laws. And she can not break them as she is now, black magic does not work like that only nemesis can in some cases provide that.
Also she has no real issue with winters objectives. She is actually en route to become quite an efficient winter lady. The chances that she looses herself in that job are far greater than that part of her wizard power she wants to suppress anyway will take over. Her warlock days are definitively over.
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Really? She is still has power, more so now that she is Winter Lady. Being Winter Lady doesn't stop her from doing black magic, just because she is beyond the Laws of Magic doesn't stop her from also being a warlock. It doesn't matter if she is effective as a Winter Lady, being Winter Lady doesn't prevent black magic from staining her if she chooses to preform it.. It is still breaking the Laws of Magic, but she remains free because now she is out of White Council jurisdiction.. But doesn't that still make her a warlock?
What Molly did to her friend regardless of what her motive were, is mind rape, she entered without permission their minds and tried to bend their behavior to her choices. That is considered black magic and did break one of the Laws, and ignorance of the law is usually not an excuse.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 06, 2020, 02:49:36 PM ---Really? She is still has power, more so now that she is Winter Lady. Being Winter Lady doesn't stop her from doing black magic, just because she is beyond the Laws of Magic doesn't stop her from also being a warlock. It doesn't matter if she is effective as a Winter Lady, being Winter Lady doesn't prevent black magic from staining her if she chooses to preform it.. It just means that the Winter Court will have a warlock as a Winter Lady..
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Power has nature and that is what causes black magic corruption. Harry was already helping Molly to change her nature away from black magic for some time and it clearly had become weaker in those years. The power of the mantle is much greater than the remnants of the black magic in her, it will have much more influence on her. Unlike Maeve Molly has already accepted the responsibility that comes with the mantle. She wants to be a dutiful winter lady. Most of her power and the whole winter mantle wants her to be a good winter lady. All the sense of responsibility steers her in that direction.
She found purpose and that is much stronger than warlock Molly. The danger for her soul is not in black magic. She found harmony with her magic that no mortal can achieve. That is why she can use a cellphone now, no warlock can do so.
Warlock Molly is finished. It is now Winter Lady Molly. Different story.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Warlock Molly is finished. It is now Winter Lady Molly. Different story.
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That remains to be seen..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 06, 2020, 04:10:59 PM --- Power has nature and that is what causes black magic corruption. Harry was already helping Molly to change her nature away from black magic for some time and it clearly had become weaker in those years. The power of the mantle is much greater than the remnants of the black magic in her, it will have much more influence on her. Unlike Maeve Molly has already accepted the responsibility that comes with the mantle. She wants to be a dutiful winter lady. Most of her power and the whole winter mantle wants her to be a good winter lady. All the sense of responsibility steers her in that direction.
She found purpose and that is much stronger than warlock Molly. The danger for her soul is not in black magic. She found harmony with her magic that no mortal can achieve. That is why she can use a cellphone now, no warlock can do so.
Warlock Molly is finished. It is now Winter Lady Molly. Different story.
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I'd argue that (like Black Magic) the Winter Lady mantle is fundamentally incompatible with much that we consider "humanity." Mab was once human, too; she pretty thoroughly ISN'T anymore. Molly is already beginning to drift that way...
She has a bunch of new power -- Winter Lady power -- that she didn't have when she was just Molly. But she still DOES (afaik) have those same powers that lured her toward Black Magic; she is still susceptible to many of the same temptations and subject to having her own soul corrupted. I'd argue, in fact, that Winter is liable to push her even HARDER that way.
She is beyond the reach of the White Council's laws, it's true. But the Dresdenverse has "Laws of Magic" that are more like "laws of nature," and those still apply. By those laws, Molly is still at risk. I don't think "cackling villainy" is the risk anymore; rather, as her soul slips, SHE will be slipping more quickly into pure-WinterLady-ism, less Molly and more Sociopathic-Harlot-Virgin Maeve.
As Bob put it: Welcome to the new Winter Lady, same as the old Winter Lady. The Mantle will come to define who she is, how she acts... much more than anything else does (including "being Molly Carpenter" or "Having been Harry's apprentice").
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