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Harry's use of Black Magic
Arjan:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 06, 2020, 04:41:32 PM ---I'd argue that (like Black Magic) the Winter Lady mantle is fundamentally incompatible with much that we consider "humanity." Mab was once human, too; she pretty thoroughly ISN'T anymore. Molly is already beginning to drift that way...
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Which is not necessarily a bad thing for her. She now has an important purpose and can actually make a difference in this world. Better than cackling warlock for sure.
I do not think Uriel sees it as a bad thing, that was my impression from skin game anyway.
--- Quote ---She has a bunch of new power -- Winter Lady power -- that she didn't have when she was just Molly. But she still DOES (afaik) have those same powers that lured her toward Black Magic; she is still susceptible to many of the same temptations and subject to having her own soul corrupted. I'd argue, in fact, that Winter is liable to push her even HARDER that way.
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One of the fundamental properties of a warlock is lack of control. The drive to break laws. Molly will be forced to keep laws. She will be busy performing her duties including the backlog.
She can not break her new ruless. Literally can not.
--- Quote ---She is beyond the reach of the White Council's laws, it's true. But the Dresdenverse has "Laws of Magic" that are more like "laws of nature," and those still apply. By those laws, Molly is still at risk. I don't think "cackling villainy" is the risk anymore; rather, as her soul slips, SHE will be slipping more quickly into pure-WinterLady-ism, less Molly and more Sociopathic-Harlot-Virgin Maeve.
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She can loose herself to the mantle. As far as we know because I do not think what we have heard until now is that reliable. Jim has a lot of working it out to do.
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As Bob put it: Welcome to the new Winter Lady, same as the old Winter Lady. The Mantle will come to define who she is, how she acts... much more than anything else does (including "being Molly Carpenter" or "Having been Harry's apprentice").
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That is what Bob thought about the winter mantle too. Bob knows what usually happens but he does not know what can happen.
And that is assuming Maeves behaviour was typical and necessary winter lady behaviour which is not likely at all. I think a lot was Maeve herself and it got power when Nemesis got into it.
Mira:
--- Quote ---And that is assuming Maeves behaviour was typical and necessary winter lady behaviour which is not likely at all. I think a lot was Maeve herself and it got power when Nemesis got into it.
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I don't disagree with this, but I see elements in this of danger for Molly. She has shown that she is capable of breaking the Law even if it meant death to both her and Harry. We saw in the short story about her since she became Winter Lady that she was willing to break the rules about sex and Winter Ladies. I guess one could argue ignorance, but I think it was more she ignored the rules and Ramirez suffered for it.
Bad Alias:
Willing and able are two different things. Molly literally can't "act in affairs not directly related to the Sidhe court." Summer Knight Ch. 10. This will greatly limit her ability to use magic on mortals at all. Mab was once mortal. She messed with Harry's mind in Small Favor. Was that black magic?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 07, 2020, 05:18:55 PM ---Willing and able are two different things. Molly literally can't "act in affairs not directly related to the Sidhe court." Summer Knight Ch. 10. This will greatly limit her ability to use magic on mortals at all. Mab was once mortal. She messed with Harry's mind in Small Favor. Was that black magic?
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No because the fairy courts work under different rules. A human nature, especially a young human nature, is very malleable and is easily changed when using the wrong kind of magic. It was hinted by the gatekeeper that an older wizard can use the power of the island with less risk than Harry can at his age. An older wizard is more set in his ways and is less vulnerable to mind attacks for example.
Mab is a very old wizard with a strong mantle, she is not that easily changed by using the wrong kind of magic and her magic is not used contrary to her nature anyway. Different rules, she does what she thinks is necessary to fulfill her purpose.
The Sidhe have a far more balanced approach to their magic and are not in internal conflict about it. That is why they can use cellphones and human wizards can not.
You can also reason that by making a deal with the Sidhe and by being in their debt he gave permission. Mab could not have done so if he was not in her debt. It works different from the seven laws but the Sidhe are also bound by rules and there are some similarities.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 07, 2020, 05:18:55 PM ---Willing and able are two different things. Molly literally can't "act in affairs not directly related to the Sidhe court." Summer Knight Ch. 10. This will greatly limit her ability to use magic on mortals at all. Mab was once mortal. She messed with Harry's mind in Small Favor. Was that black magic?
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Yes, it was black magic, but because she is the Winter Queen she cannot be touched by the Council. It is possible part of the reason why she has the dark reputation she has is she once was a warlock or on her way to being one.
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