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Harry's use of Black Magic
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 23, 2020, 02:00:12 PM ---Mab enabled Murphy. She melted the ice which was not normal ice anyway. There were no complains about numbness anyway.
I do not think Mab could have directed Karen's hand, there was no deal or debt between them strong enough for that. Mab could only hurt Harry because of that deal.
There was also no complaint about ice damage afterwards. I do not think the ice made her numb at all.
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No deal was needed, Mab had it all planned out, Murphy was just part of the gun or tool that killed Maeve.. You are mistaken as far as thinking any kind of deal between Mab and Murphy would have hurt Harry.. On the contrary, if Murphy had bargained to kill Maeve, or if Mab felt it would put her in debt to Murphy, the first thing Murphy would ask for is Harry's freedom. Mab's plans did backfire a little as far as she wanted Sarissa and not Molly to be her Winter Lady. Mab also has shown if she wants to manipulate a mortal's hand she can, remember Harry's hand on the mail spike in Summer Knight? Now I realize she had bought Harry's debt from Lea, so she could inflict harm on him.. However no harm was inflicted on Murphy, she was merely part of the weapon that Maeve had left lying around because she thought she had won, and Mab used it like any other pawn... Why do you think Harry asked her if it was hard to kill her daughter? Why do you think Murphy was a bit confused after it happened by asking, "what just happened?" I don't think she'd react quite that way if it was her deliberately shooting Maeve.
Arjan:
Mab can not just take over any mortal and make her do something. When Lea healed Harry in grave peril it was to show him that she had power over him because of his debt. Mab would and could not control Murphy in any way. She could only create the circumstances for her to act by melting the ice bindings.
Murphy knee what she was doing and she handled out of reflex trained most of her life. The confusion was about what happened to Molly and what was the meaning of everything that happened. I do not think the freezing harmed or numbed her al all.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 23, 2020, 04:39:56 PM ---Mab can not just take over any mortal and make her do something. When Lea healed Harry in grave peril it was to show him that she had power over him because of his debt. Mab would and could not control Murphy in any way. She could only create the circumstances for her to act by melting the ice bindings.
Murphy knee what she was doing and she handled out of reflex trained most of her life. The confusion was about what happened to Molly and what was the meaning of everything that happened. I do not think the freezing harmed or numbed her al all.
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Wouldn't have happened at all without Mab, Harry knew something was up, Mab moved her finger, suddenly Murphy's hand was loose and she shot, she was merely a tool.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 23, 2020, 05:37:19 PM --- Wouldn't have happened at all without Mab, Harry knew something was up, Mab moved her finger, suddenly Murphy's hand was loose and she shot, she was merely a tool.
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Mab would not agree. Karen was not in Mab’s service. Mab just made it accidentally possible for Karen to do what she wanted to do anyway by removing bounds her daughter should not have placed anyway.
didymos:
--- Quote ---Karrin’s hands flew out from behind her back in a shower of broken chips of black ice. She tore her little holdout gun from a concealed ankle holster.
“No!” I shouted.
Two shots rang out, almost simultaneously.
Something hissed spitefully past my ear. A neat, round black hole appeared just to the side of Maeve’s nose, at the fine line of her cheekbone.
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 506). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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I'm sure Karrin would have mentioned that her hands moved by themselves when Harry spoke to her afterwards. She didn't. As to the "What just happened?", Karrin was referring to the weird light that flew out of Maeve and went into Molly, rendering her unconscious:
--- Quote ---“Harry,” Karrin said. “What just happened? Is Molly all right?”
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 507). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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