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Harry's use of Black Magic
Mira:
--- Quote ---The whole point of the show on the mountain was about Mab's love of Maeve. She discovers she's been taken by the Adversary in PG and Becomes so angry that she can't speak without driving people mad. And in the end Mab still can't make herself do what must be done. So she frees Murphy to kill her.
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At the same time she can control her emotions, at this point anyway she isn't seeking revenge on Murphy. I think it can go either way, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was Mab herself that had moved Murphy's trigger finger. Contrast to Titania wild grief over Aurora even though she knows full well that she also had to be taken down. However I think a lot of it is how she was taken down, by steel in the hands of the least of the fae..
Yuillegan:
Mira - I would be shocked. It would defeat the purpose of most of the book and Harry's mission. If Mab was capable emotionally of killing Maeve, she would have from the beginning. But I think she did know that Murphy would protect Dresden. Titania's rage is just the opposite of Mab's rage, which makes sense. Yeah I believe that Maeve and Sarissa were twins. I guess my reasons for believing that Sarissa and Mab wouldn't have a very normal loving relationship is that wouldn't be how Mab would do it. She is more like, "let's go clubbing and have crazy sex" or "let's see how can kill the most elk with only our hands on a hunting trip". Not traditional mother/daughter bonding activities. Also clearly the type of parent who believes you should learn through surviving.
Morris - I agree, was a powerful scene I think. Yeah, Molly in some ways has been saved by the mantle. I think she could well have gone darkside otherwise. One of Dresden's most incredible qualities is that he tries to be a good man, despite having every reason not to. I highly doubt Molly would have dealt half as well.
I think the closer to the mortal world a supernatural being or race is, the closer they emulate it. Including emotions. The White Court are a great example, as are the Fae to a point. However. Humanity are the benchmark, so it seems that no other race feels emotions the way they do and have the impact they do. No idea what to make of the Forrest People, but I would say they are somewhere in between human and Fae.
Arjan:
Emotions are not typical human. Everything that has a survival instinct knows fear if it has enough intelligence to understand danger.
Magic has everything to do with emotions. Life has everything to do with emotions and magic comes from life. I think that is the reason the Sidhe are highly emotional. Maybe not the emotion we humans value most but highly emotional nonetheless.
Mab values restraint and control because she needs them.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Mira - I would be shocked. It would defeat the purpose of most of the book and Harry's mission. If Mab was capable emotionally of killing Maeve, she would have from the beginning. But I think she did know that Murphy would protect Dresden. Titania's rage is just the opposite of Mab's rage, which makes sense. Yeah I believe that Maeve and Sarissa were twins. I guess my reasons for believing that Sarissa and Mab wouldn't have a very normal loving relationship is that wouldn't be how Mab would do it. She is more like, "let's go clubbing and have crazy sex" or "let's see how can kill the most elk with only our hands on a hunting trip". Not traditional mother/daughter bonding activities. Also clearly the type of parent who believes you should learn through surviving.
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Why would you be shocked? She ordered the hit in the first place, had her replacement ready to go, though that didn't quite work out as she had planned. Yes, Sarissa and Mab apparently enjoyed going to the opera together, sporting events, so yeah, ordinary mother/daughter mortal things together. The only way Murphy could have gotten her hand free from the enchanted black ice, was by Mab's hand, her hand had to be totally numb from that, not very good for grabbing anything fast, let alone aiming a gun and pulling the trigger as fast as it had to be done. Mab moves her finger and it happened, no, Mab in the end killed her daughter. She understood it had to be done, while she rather someone else did it, and perhaps can rationalize that Murphy did it, it was Mab who did it. She did love Maeve, that is why she blinded herself to her antics for so so long, but an infected Maeve was another story, she had to be put down. Mab is a true queen, she believes in duty and did as painful as it was, what had to be done because there was no choice.. It was no accident that Maeve was going on about choices just before she was shot. She thought her mother was out of choices, she thought she had won the game of chess, she was wrong.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 23, 2020, 01:31:36 PM ---Why would you be shocked? She ordered the hit in the first place, had her replacement ready to go, though that didn't quite work out as she had planned. Yes, Sarissa and Mab apparently enjoyed going to the opera together, sporting events, so yeah, ordinary mother/daughter mortal things together. The only way Murphy could have gotten her hand free from the enchanted black ice, was by Mab's hand, her hand had to be totally numb from that, not very good for grabbing anything fast, let alone aiming a gun and pulling the trigger as fast as it had to be done. Mab moves her finger and it happened, no, Mab in the end killed her daughter. She understood it had to be done, while she rather someone else did it, and perhaps can rationalize that Murphy did it, it was Mab who did it. She did love Maeve, that is why she blinded herself to her antics for so so long, but an infected Maeve was another story, she had to be put down. Mab is a true queen, she believes in duty and did as painful as it was, what had to be done because there was no choice.. It was no accident that Maeve was going on about choices just before she was shot. She thought her mother was out of choices, she thought she had won the game of chess, she was wrong.
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Mab enabled Murphy. She melted the ice which was not normal ice anyway. There were no complains about numbness anyway.
I do not think Mab could have directed Karen's hand, there was no deal or debt between them strong enough for that. Mab could only hurt Harry because of that deal.
There was also no complaint about ice damage afterwards. I do not think the ice made her numb at all.
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