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Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: AClone on April 11, 2020, 03:23:34 AM ---In Changes, Harry was accepting a standing offer.
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In Changes, I wouldn't even say Harry was making a counter-offer. He comes to Mab and asks for power. Mab says Harry knows her price. The price is to be her Knight. Harry has "a" condition that she give him power and knowledge enough to save his daughter.
--- Quote ---Don't make her any offers. Don't accept any, not even in passing, not even anything that seems harmless or that could only be construed through context.
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Dina:
I agree
g33k:
--- Quote from: Avernite on April 11, 2020, 06:58:04 PM --- Harry killed a RCV with a knife. He admittedly tricked Susan into being that RCV, which is no doubt a stain on his soul ...
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He tricked Susan into being no-longer-human ... and thus eligible to be killed without it "counting" as murder ? Sorry, no.
In fact, HELL no.
Morally, this is identical to killing her before she had turned; as others have said, he took away her Choice. He chose on her behalf, and then murdered her for it.
It's also worth noting it as a classic "warcrimes" method: first, you dehumanize them; then you can feel OK about murdering them.
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Now, you may be able to argue a "greater good" argument.
You may be able to argue "time of war, tragedies happen."
You may be able to argue that "It's what Susan would have chosen, if Harry had been able to lay it out for her." This is the most tempting argument of all: Susan would have wanted it.
None of which alter the fundamental fact that Susan entered that temple with a range of choices, but then Harry took all her choices from her... and then he killed her, for reacting in the only way she could.
CrusherJen:
I'm not saying it wasn't wrong, or terrible-- it was. Harry did make the choice to play it out that way. And yes, I think he definitely was stained by triggering the black magic spell, on top of the psychological damage he took in doing what he did.
But it's not like Harry had a ton of options at that point, either. He saw the shot, and he took it-- knowing very well how horrible it was. That should have consequences.
I'm not saying it's completely justified... but it is understandable, for lack of a better word.
g33k:
--- Quote from: CrusherJen on April 12, 2020, 12:33:37 AM ---I'm not saying it wasn't wrong, or terrible-- it was. Harry did make the choice to play it out that way. And yes, I think he definitely was stained by triggering the black magic spell, on top of the psychological damage he took in doing what he did.
But it's not like Harry had a ton of options at that point, either. He saw the shot, and he took it-- knowing very well how horrible it was. That should have consequences.
I'm not saying it's completely justified... but it is understandable, for lack of a better word.
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Complete agreement.
I'm not calling Harry a "cold blooded murderer" here.
But I'm not willing to let that word -- murder -- get swept under the rug, either. It's more apt than any other word I know in English.
In all the Dresden Files to date, this is the most singularly evil act that Harry has performed (rivaled only by his pushing Molly to be the agent of his suicide (both, we note, happening in the same novel)).
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