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WAG - Harry has never met Justin DuMorne. His Justin was Heinrich Kemmler.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Kindler on January 29, 2020, 08:34:44 PM ---(Starborns? Starsborn?)
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I vote Starborn as both a singular and a plural. Like deer. How did Justin have a Kung Fu grip on the idiot ball? As I see it, his mistake was not expecting Harry to skip school to check on Elaine. That's about it, unless you count not knowing how to program people through non-magical means.
We should keep in mind that Justin was "dirty" from the moment that he took Bob.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 30, 2020, 12:00:09 AM ---I vote Starborn as both a singular and a plural. Like deer. How did Justin have a Kung Fu grip on the idiot ball? As I see it, his mistake was not expecting Harry to skip school to check on Elaine. That's about it, unless you count not knowing how to program people through non-magical means.
We should keep in mind that Justin was "dirty" from the moment that he took Bob.
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I think it works both ways, depending on how you use it, speaking of starborns in general or referring to the starborn in general.. I agree though, Justin didn't count on Harry skipping school to check on Elaine, that was his first mistake.. His second mistake was underestimating Harry's stubborn will, which made enthrallment impossible. The thought just came to my tired brain. Harry has always prided himself on his force of will, it has saved his ass many a time. I've always thought that the strength of his will came from him being a starborn. Many of us, me included thought that Justin selected Harry and Elaine because he thought one or both might be starborn.. But what that wasn't his motive? Because why try to enthrall Elaine if she might be starborn because it wouldn't work.. It flat out didn't work on Harry... Then again Elaine still could be starborn and her enthrallment was an act, she seemed to imply that in Summer Knight.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 30, 2020, 04:28:19 AM --- ... I've always thought that the strength of his will came from him being a starborn...
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I have wondered that myself. I concluded it was not the case.
The powerful Immortals, the Mab's & the Fallen &c, clearly know what these "starborn" are. They have probably dealt with them before... as we see from all the attention Harry gets, being Starborn is significant. None of the prior ones are likely to have escaped attention from the Movers & Shakers.
If vast & superhuman powers of teh 5tubb0rnz are an inherent Starborn feature, none of these beings would keep presuming Harry had ordinary willpower.
Bad Alias:
But they might be honing and shaping that power.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 30, 2020, 05:35:18 AM ---But they might be honing and shaping that power.
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The fact that Harry will tell her to stuff it when she needs it, is the quality Mab admires most about Harry.
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