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Christmas Eve story - Huge question
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 23, 2020, 08:44:26 PM ---You are made to believe that Fix was sleeping with Lily in Proven Guilty. Everybody in the books get laid with the exception of Molly and maybe Ramirez. Molly gets turned into an evil virgin faerie.
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Like I said, it may not be about having sex but more about with whom she has sex with. Fix did become Lily's Knight. It could be that Maeve just wasn't attracted to Slate or he her, hence her complete frustration sexually. Molly might demand sex with Harry at some point, who knows?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote --- Here is another question, Maeve and Sarissa are Mab's daughters, at some point unless they are
the product of virgin birth, she had to have sex.. One assumes that Mab was also Winter Lady at some point in her career, so did she have sex and have her daughters before she became Lady? Was there a special exception like perhaps having sex with her Knight which resulted in the birth of her daughters? Or after she became Queen? Then she had sex and had her daughters... If the first, then one doesn't have to be a virgin to become the Lady, Mab already had given birth. If the second, depending on who she has sex with she doesn't have to stay a virgin to be the Lady, her Knight the exception? If the third, well the Queen can have sex with whomever she wants.. Actually we know that one for a fact since she had sex with Harry when he became her knight.
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The timeline of events is that Mab became queen well before she had Maeve and Sarissa.
Bad Alias:
The deal is that the Lady can't be a mother.
--- Quote ---"Maiden, mother, and crone. You are the maiden, Lady Molly. And for you to be otherwise, to become a mother, would be to destroy the mantle of power you wear.
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The mantle could just make the Ladies sterile,
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 23, 2020, 07:49:52 PM ---[e]xcept the story is different. This is all about being unreachable and frustrated.
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I similarly think that the Ladies can't have sex with fairies for the same reason Arjan states and some others.
Now, does maiden have the original meaning of "female virgin," or does it mean "not a mother?" Can someone who doesn't fit the mantle be remade by the mantle? We know that a man can't become a queen, but we also know the mantle does shape their personalities, so I think the jury's still out on that one. I don't see a really good argument either way.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 23, 2020, 08:48:29 PM ---Like I said, it may not be about having sex but more about with whom she has sex with. Fix did become Lily's Knight. It could be that Maeve just wasn't attracted to Slate or he her, hence her complete frustration sexually. Molly might demand sex with Harry at some point, who knows?
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Maeve was recruiting the knights so if she could have sex with her knight she would have chosen one she found attractive. I do not think Fix and Lily had sex. At one point she complained about not being able to raise a family.
Sidhe are old school so I do not think they separate sex from becoming a mother, certainly the mantle won’t do that.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 23, 2020, 10:14:24 PM ---Maeve was recruiting the knights so if she could have sex with her knight she would have chosen one she found attractive. I do not think Fix and Lily had sex. At one point she complained about not being able to raise a family.
Sidhe are old school so I do not think they separate sex from becoming a mother, certainly the mantle won’t do that.
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However none of that answers the question as to whether or not the Lady has to be a virgin upon
receiving the mantle of Lady. Once she becomes Lady, celibacy is one of the things the mantle demands of her.
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