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Christmas Eve story - Huge question
Arjan:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on January 11, 2020, 04:00:13 PM ---I'm pretty sure the problem is that there's no real way to safely use a powerful sidhe who's been successfully manipulating people for longer than Harry, his mom, and his grandfather combined have been alive.
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If we leave out the Nemesis influence and Harry's own deal with Lea we end up with an entity beneficial to Harry thanks to his mothers deal.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Silentbrick on January 09, 2020, 06:43:14 AM ---Man outright says "I have brought your gift." And "I have an obligation to my vassals ." So she IS gifting Harry. It's only indirectly for Maggie.
Molly also says her gift is part and parcel to the whole winter lady gig.
Bob states that the knight has different duties to each queen. But it just feels off for two out of three.
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If it was a straight up gift then by the rules as Jim has laid them out, Harry would need to give them a gift in exchange. I'm reading it as part of the ongoing bargain that made Harry the Winter Knight. He incurs no further obligation. Mother Winter hasn't killed him with her cleaver yet, so I'm calling it all good.
RobReece:
One of the earlier post was asking if Mother Winter had given Harry the Blackstaff. Mother Winter doesn't have it, Harry's grandfather does.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---If we leave out the Nemesis influence and Harry's own deal with Lea we end up with an entity beneficial to Harry thanks to his mothers deal.
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Has it been? Because it's been pointed out (by Aurora, admittedly, but there's tons of evidence that she's correct) that Lea has been manipulating him the entire time to make him colder, less trusting, more violent, more predatory, and generally more Winter-like--and I'm pretty sure that Harry would consider this to be quite detrimental. Some of it he might be fine with for himself, because he acknowledges the usefulness, but nowhere close to all or even most of it, and I don't believe he'd want any of it for his daughter.
Also, his deal with Lea was caused by her being his faerie godmother--she'd been hanging around his entire life (and probably helping with small things) which was both why she was around and why he trusted her enough to make the deal in the first place. That's actually the biggest reason why I'd expect Harry to object to Mab giving his daughter gifts: even if Harry can ensure that everything Mab does for Maggie due to her obligations to Harry is 100% positive and beneficial, he knows that that will only make Maggie more likely to make a bargain with Mab, and that there's no possible way that that will end well for her.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on January 12, 2020, 07:15:36 AM ---Has it been? Because it's been pointed out (by Aurora, admittedly, but there's tons of evidence that she's correct) that Lea has been manipulating him the entire time to make him colder, less trusting, more violent, more predatory, and generally more Winter-like--and I'm pretty sure that Harry would consider this to be quite detrimental. Some of it he might be fine with for himself, because he acknowledges the usefulness, but nowhere close to all or even most of it, and I don't believe he'd want any of it for his daughter.
Also, his deal with Lea was caused by her being his faerie godmother--she'd been hanging around his entire life (and probably helping with small things) which was both why she was around and why he trusted her enough to make the deal in the first place. That's actually the biggest reason why I'd expect Harry to object to Mab giving his daughter gifts: even if Harry can ensure that everything Mab does for Maggie due to her obligations to Harry is 100% positive and beneficial, he knows that that will only make Maggie more likely to make a bargain with Mab, and that there's no possible way that that will end well for her.
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Harry was an orphan surrounded by enemies and without any real knowledge about his situation. Maggie is in a totally different situation. She is smart, has access to knowledge and knows what monsters are. Her main danger is ignorance and Harry should have learned that lesson by now.
For now though Molly would be really pissed of if someone tried something like that.
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