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Denarian Shadows
morriswalters:
Obviously Harry is dreaming of Murphy. His subconscious used the dream figure it had to call out the danger he faced. I guess Harry didn't have any dreams about sexual fantasies involving Hanna, being an old fashioned kind of a guy. And there is no support for the idea that a coin with a rider can put a shadow in someone else. Of course Jim could make me a liar. ;)
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 04, 2020, 06:10:00 PM ---Obviously Harry is dreaming of Murphy. His subconscious used the dream figure it had to call out the danger he faced. I guess Harry didn't have any dreams about sexual fantasies involving Hanna, being an old fashioned kind of a guy. And there is no support for the idea that a coin with a rider can put a shadow in someone else. Of course Jim could make me a liar. ;)
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No, but Hannah tried to put the sexual whammy on Harry a couple of times with little effect. As I said neither Harry nor the reader had much sentiment invested in poor Hannah. The confrontation with Harry may have worked better if there hadn't been the "woman scorned" build up.
Yeah, we all know about the Murphy warning dream, but all that did was highlight the weakness of the Hannah/Lasciel, Harry confrontation.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on January 03, 2020, 11:09:37 PM ---I think Nic retrieved the Lashiel's coin during the fight, got secretly into the hospital to uncounscious Murphy, made her skin make contact with the coin without her knowing it, and so made sure, a shadow was created.
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I'm pretty sure Murphy would have too choose to touch the coin for a shadow to be created. Otherwise, Denarians would just throw the coins at people like Marcone and Ivy.
I think Harry had to have the dream about Murphy because if he had it about Hannah, it would have been way too obvious.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 05, 2020, 07:46:02 PM --- I'm pretty sure Murphy would have too choose to touch the coin for a shadow to be created. Otherwise, Denarians would just throw the coins at people like Marcone and Ivy.
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I think there's a lot of unclarity on what it takes to make a Shadow.
For example, the Denarians had Marcone and Ivy all tied up; they could have just touched a coin to their skin. In an earlier book, Nic tried to recruit Harry with a Coin... but never actually touched the Coin to him. The implication is that it takes someone knowing and intentional; someone who is rejecting/unwilling gets no Shadow.
OTOH, Michael reports that Knight's children have been lured/tricked into taking a Coin; it's apparently a popular Denarian tactic... Or maybe that's just disinformation planted by the Denarians.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 05, 2020, 10:30:41 PM ---I think there's a lot of unclarity on what it takes to make a Shadow.
For example, the Denarians had Marcone and Ivy all tied up; they could have just touched a coin to their skin. In an earlier book, Nic tried to recruit Harry with a Coin... but never actually touched the Coin to him. The implication is that it takes someone knowing and intentional; someone who is rejecting/unwilling gets no Shadow.
OTOH, Michael reports that Knight's children have been lured/tricked into taking a Coin; it's apparently a popular Denarian tactic... Or maybe that's just disinformation planted by the Denarians.
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Remember in Death Masks all the Knights were careful not to touch them and warned Harry against
it. However they were picking up the coins which is voluntary contact, where as touching a captive with one is involuntary, one suggests accepting the coin somewhere down the road so an opening, where as being touched with one is less so.
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