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Denarian Shadows
Mira:
--- Quote ---But then... why do the Denarians torture people to try to get them to take a coin? Seems like a poor tactic for long-term success! Harry, Marcone, Ivy... Why not just /touch/ the coin to them, duct-tape it to their bicep, whatever. Place the coin in contact with them, and keep them prisoner until they convert? I mean... maybe the whole "torture" schtick is fun for some of them (Tessa springs to mind, and whoever Ursiel targets), but others (like Nic) seem to feel it's a lamentably-slow process & only moderately likely to be productive.
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Maybe because just any smuck isn't a whole lot of use, they want a host with "skills" physical and mental to begin with to use and enhance.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 17, 2019, 01:44:23 AM ---Somebody can look this up if they care enough. Harry and Michael talk about this. Maybe in Skin Game. I tried to find it, but it's in one of the books somewhere.. Michael said that the Denarians had attacked the Knights through their children in just this fashion.
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I'm putting my money on Proven Guilty when Harry confesses to Michael.
--- Quote from: g33k on December 17, 2019, 02:05:09 AM ---Why not just /touch/ the coin to them, duct-tape it to their bicep, whatever.
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Because the thing is choosing to pick up the coin, not choosing the Fallen.
Con:
I think it might depend a lot on the coin and Denarian themselves. From what we've learnt those Denarians that are basically just demonic muscle, can give up their coin willingly and even relatively easily, as we learnt from Sanya and Cassius. Hell Cassius could even give it up with full intention of picking it up again.
More powerful Denarians might be harder to fore go.
Although Nicodemus did give up the coin in Skin Game when he was goading Murphy.
I remember he said 'Save me Oh Knight' after ordering Genowska to kill Harry.
As for the Shadows, Lash and Harry even discussed usually it only takes a couple of days maybe 2 weeks for most to accept the coin/denarian.
Lash was able to change who she was due to Harry's influence on her as much as her influence on Harry.
Another thing to consider is that Lash said Harry's easier to talk to when he's asleep. Referring to Harry's ID self. So assuming most people don't have a literal alter ego, Shadows can still talk and tempt the persons subconscious.
morriswalters:
Touching the coin is only half the game. You have to invite the fallen in. The shadow exists to close the sale. Torture could be used, either by triggering the Stockholm Syndrome or through simple brainwashing after breaking the subject.
Mira:
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Another thing to consider is that Lash said Harry's easier to talk to when he's asleep. Referring to Harry's ID self. So assuming most people don't have a literal alter ego, Shadows can still talk and tempt the persons subconscious.
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Yeah, well, we all know that Harry's ID is the dark side of his "force." The ID is all action and to hell with the consequences, that would make him easier not just to talk to but to convince by Lasciel. Here is a thought, and I think there have been hints that since Bonny is the child of the ID and depending on when they mated if she was more Lash than Lasciel or vice versa, Bonny might be
more like Evil Bob than Bob. Wonder how long it will take Harry to figure that one out?
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