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Yuillegan:
That Entropy Curse is pretty powerful. It warps reality to the point a plane happened to be flying overhead, and that the turkey within the plan somehow fell out. I am sure if the plane had not been there it would have been something else, but it IS still incredible.

Tbh, I think what Harry was saying was that ALL rituals like that are "vending-machine variety". That's how the work, the power and the magic comes from outside the performer of the ritual.

No, we don't know that they could have done an actual summoning. But I think for summoning to be the threat that it is, anyone can do it. Hence why the White Council like to circulate the knowledge so the power is spread too thin. That's why everyone knows the Necronomicon.

Yeah Nemesis does seem to be more effective, and certainly more dangerous, than the regular Walkers. Who basically seem to just be brutes.

Yeah I don't think Nemesis might be as easily summonable, but I DO think that it is less about the ritual and more about WHAT Nemesis is and the materials used in the ritual (blood, sacrifice, maybe mordite or some other Outside stuff) that make it potent. In fact I would be willing to bet that in order to summon Nemesis, you need a conjunction. Something to support major magical mojo.

Bad Alias:
My point about the HWWB ritual is that it may be what allows him to Enter. It doesn't necessarily have to be a summoning in which a summoning happens and there in the circle is the summoned entity. It could be that the request for power from beyond the Outer Gates is an invitation to the sponsoring power.

Bob says Harry banished HWWB. ... HWWB has returned. Is the ritual what allowed him to return? Would the ritual have done anything had he not returned, or stated alternatively, can he supply the power for the ritual while banished from the Inside? Did something else happen in the ellipsis?

g33k:
How many "vectors" do we know of for sure?

There's the Athame -- Bianca gave it to Lea, and it infected Lea, who infected Maeve (we don't know if Maeve was infected by Lea herself, or the Athame, or Lea-wielding-Athame; but it was a single "vector" of infection).

That's the only one we can really pin down as 100% known, I think.

The Athame then went to Mab, who (we think) didn't get Nemfected.  We don't know if she purged the Athame, or what; eventually, we stopped seeing it.

We don't know where the Athame came from, or who/what else it might have infected before Bianca gave it to Lea.  Presumably it's now "gone," no longer a vector of Nemfection... unless Mab herself is.

Cat Sith was infected.  Personally, I suspect a "slow burn" infection from the Athame/Lea/Maeve vector before Mab, but we don't know -- it could have been a new vector.  Or maybe Mab thinks she has it contained, but she doesn't, and somehow it got Sith.  I've seen some folks suggest Sith's Nemfection came in the middle of the novel, offscreen (I tend to suspect not, that Sith was infected from the very first time he appears in Cold Days.), but again:  we don't really know, there's been no unambiguous evidence.

There was Aurora's Nemfection.  Maybe the Athame was in Aurora's hands, before Bianca got it?  Can't rule that out, I suppose... though I'm in favor of Trojan Elaine as Aurora's vector, personally.

Any other fae?

There was Vittorio's "possession" (but I think it was one of the HWWB brothers, not Nemesis).

Any other supernatural's?

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Then there's the open question of mortals being Nemfect'able.  I'm firmly settled in the camp of "maybe," but for purposes of this discussion, I'm arguing from the "yes they can" POV, because otherwise every anser is "no," and that's just boring (which in itself is IMHO a good argument that Jim will let mortals be Nemfected).

Was there a vector that got Sells, and/or Kravos?  Etc.  Or were they "just" warlocks with "mere" black magic?  I've seen it suggested that ALL black-magic is Outsider-y.  I s'pose that's possible.

I've theorized that -- since what Nemfection seems to do with/to Faeries is give them something like "Free Will" (the ability to act against their essential nature) -- perhaps mind-magic is specifically a Nemfection-vector (at least, potentially so).

Following up this theory, maybe each Law of Magic has a particular Outsider agent which gets a shot at wizards violating that Law.  Maybe each Outsider is tasked with undermining reality via that channel; maybe each Law is specifically established to block that particular Outsider's access to Creation.

Anyone else want to weigh in -- or WAG in -- on these questions?
 

Bad Alias:
Does anyone else recall the WoJ that stated that Nemesis first appeared in Grave Peril? If Sells, who practiced black magic, wasn't infected, then black magic taint isn't Nemesis.

morriswalters:
I have no idea.  But in the case of Sells and the FBI agents there physical things that had nothing to do with a nemfection.  Sells had the name of a demon and a recipe for three eye. The agents had the belts.

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