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Yuillegan:
I haven't seen that particular WOJ for a while, BA. I agree it if Jim was merely referring to the obvious (a nemfected vessel, or a nemvector) then indeed it does rule out Black Magic as Nemesis. Which I also think is correct anyway, despite the WOJ.

But I think it was a bit of wordplay. I think Nemesis first was on-screen, in a sense, in the Athame in Grave Peril. But. I also think that Jim wasn't actually talking about Nemesis within a host or vessel (like the Athame, or Bianca or Cowl etc). I think that Nemesis may have constructed a body for itself, like major supernatural beings do (like Harry talks about in Fool Moon, demons and gods etc). I think that that body, that contained the majority of Nemesis was on screen in Grave Peril.

Who then matches that profile? Not sure, I need to reread the book. Still though...might be something to it!

Yeah I don't think Mab is infected. Too many others would have noticed I think, like Vadderung. Unless...everyone is infected! But seriously, I think Mab is in the clear.

Cat Sith becoming infected was normally attributed to He Who Walks Before capturing Cat Sith after a commotion, and Harry notices Cat Sith fails to come to him when called. I think Harry even states this to Cat Sith. However you raise valid points. Maeve and Leah both would have had opportunities as well. But I agree I think he wasn't infected from the beginning of Cold Days. Somewhere in the middle offscreen, as you say.

Hmm not sure that they need Morgana's Athame every time they wish to infect an individual with Nemesis...more like Elaine or Cowl spread it to her via other means.

Well I am sure everyone has head my views on whether mortals can be infected, and are sick to death of it so I will spare you all that.

I am not sure it is "just" black magic taint, or that is the same as Nemesis. It might have a relation to Outsider corruption, maybe not. Not much evidence either way yet.

I more think it is a tainted ritual or gift that is specifically given to mortals by the Black Council/Circle. The belts could have tainted the FBI, Sells was given knowledge for a demon and I think Three Eye too, Kravos was given the knowledge in how to become a powerful vengeful ghost. So there are some connections...

I do like you WAG about a different Outsider (or group of Outsiders) for each Law of Magic. No idea if it is true or not but it is intriguing. Certainly lots of the Outsider themes seem to contradict the Laws directly. They like killing with magic, invading and controlling the minds of others. We haven't YET seen them transform others with magic, which isn't to say they don't. I still wonder about the Hexenwulf belts myself, considering it was likey a gift from Cowl. And I am willing to bet that Necromancy and Time Manipulation is right up there alley. There has been hints of people messing with Time (not just actively pointed out either, although I think it IS significant they attacked Demonreach through Time as well as Space) throughout the series. And obviously they have an entire LAW dedicated to them. Which is interesting as there isn't one about regular demons or monsters or even the Fallen.

So I do think there is a reasonable argument to be made that breaking the Laws of Magic helps Outsiders, which isn't necessarily the same as performing black magic.

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