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Elaine, Trojan Horse? "It was the knife..."
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on October 22, 2019, 07:44:36 PM ---With Lea and Maeve, I think it's the other way around, with Lea infecting Maeve. Pretty sure that's how Mab put it in Cold Days.
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Probably so, but I concur with the reminders to be aware Mab is perfectly capable of being honestly mistaken. Look at how she misinterpreted Harry's motives and conduct in teaching Molly, or her confidence that she can remake Harry's personality being directly contradicted by Uriel's chosen seven words.
And, actually, the fact that Uriel chose "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are" instead of "Wrong. Mab cannot change who you are" might just be a big flashing warning sign that she's in the early stages of Nemfection herself.
I find the more convincing piece of evidence for Lea being the 'patient zero' in Winter her grudge against Bianca for "treacherous gifts". Hard for that to be about much other than the knife, especially given that the grudge was so big she considered killing Bianca a significant credit on Harry's account and still had hostility to spare for the Reds.
morriswalters:
What makes you think that Mab was wrong about Harry and Molly?
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 24, 2019, 10:02:03 PM ---The problem is unsolvable. No matter who did what, once the Adversary was inside, it was inside. This is a known risk. It's why the Gatekeeper exists. In terms of balance, it's one of the main themes of Cold Days. The ending represents the first time since Summer Knight that Winter has all it's slots filled.
I don't know what I think about Elaine.
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Neither do I, a reread of Summer Knight given what has happened since made me want to rethink her character. There is the word of Jim that Harry didn't return to Justin's house right away, that is when he went to Lea or she him, that is also unclear, but I think it has been said a couple of weeks passed during that time. What of Elaine, was she enthralled all of that time, if she was, was she being further instructed?
Supposedly the Fae cannot lie, yet Uriel contends that Mab was lying to Harry about her control over him. I have always argued and have interpreted what Harry says about the Fae, is while they cannot directly lie, they can twist the truth to their own purpose, that is why it is so dangerous to bargain with them, you may not be getting what you think you are getting because there is a lot of fine print.. Like Mab fixing Harry's back if he became her knight. She did fix it, he became her knight but she didn't say she couldn't make him think it was broken again if he crossed her.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 25, 2019, 02:54:04 AM ---What makes you think that Mab was wrong about Harry and Molly?
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Mostly that she thought he was aware Molly had the talent and was ignoring her to leave her room to dig herself into enough trouble to need saving, as a strategy to get her into his debt. Mab thinks Harry had a cunning selfish plan to mold a loyal retainer, when he was actually just ignorant that Molly was getting into magic until the last moment.
morriswalters:
The only thing Mab got wrong was his foreknowledge of her magic. And you have to wonder about the Id Harry and what he knew and when.
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