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Elaine, Trojan Horse? "It was the knife..."
Mira:
Almost finished rereading Summer Knight and a lot of questions about Elaine have popped up in my
head. We know Harry's connection to Winter was through his mother. What was Elaine's connection to Summer? We have no clue, yet when Harry took Justin down and she ran, the place she ran to was Summer. There has been lots of speculation that it was Elaine that infected Aurora. We have no clue of what her state of sanity was before Elaine's arrival.
Maeve was a wild child to be sure, but was she insane before Slate presented her with the knife he had just stabbed Elaine with? That in of itself was a set up, he stabbed Elaine in the back,but didn't kill her.. Odd.. And she singed him with fire, he had burns, yet he was able to stab her in the back. I'd always been under the impression that it was the Knife that Lea got at Bianca's party that spread the infection, first to Lea and from her, to Maeve. But what if it was Maeve who infected Lea? Lea was wearing the Knife she got at Bianca's party in Summer Knight, yet showed no symptoms of infection. In fact she seemed saner than usual, which in of itself I suppose could be a symptom..
Then towards the end when Harry talks Elaine into helping him by moving the thorns aside so he could take on Aurora to save Lily, Elaine says something very curious. Harry mentions her betrayal of him, trust, the love they had at one time for one another. To which Elaine answers, "You don't know whatI am." I can see her saying "who I am," people change, they hadn't seen each other in years and both had been through a lot.. But "what"?
Supposedly Harry and Elaine were being raised as enforcers, both supposedly had the potential to be star children. But what if that only applied to Harry? We know the back story about why Justin took them in from Ghost Story isn't exactly what Harry thought it was.. Justin himself might have been double crossed.
If Harry was bred to be a star child, what if Elaine was bred to be a Trojan Horse? What if she never was enthralled by Justin? It just appeared that way, the plan backfired when Harry got away, turned the tables on HWB and came back and killed Justin. When she fled she went to Summer and infected Aurora turning her mad.. Then with the help of Slate infected Maeve etc of Winter..
Yes, I know supposedly she is now helping the Paranet, but she is still playing things awfully close to the vest, she could still be a Trojan Horse..
123Chikadee:
With Lea and Maeve, I think it's the other way around, with Lea infecting Maeve. Pretty sure that's how Mab put it in Cold Days. I'd have to look again.
But yeah, Elaine does look like a good candidate for infecting Aurora, esp since having someone else do it seems a bit thin. We're probably missing some key piece here. Maybe she carried infection somehow. That or she was already infected when Elaine came in contact with her.
But yeah, it was the knife that had the nemesis taint on it. So that's a good place to start. Maybe Elaine isn't infected per se but a carrier?
Maybe Elaine is just a red-herring and it's not possible to infect Starborn?
I'm just spitballing here, lol.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 22, 2019, 06:58:52 PM ---yet showed no symptoms of infection.
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We should expect an infiltrator to not show signs that they are an infiltrator until it's very nearly too late. Otherwise, Nemesis wouldn't be that much of a threat.
I'm very suspicious of Elaine, and it's entirely possible that she somehow used Slate to infect Maeve and Mab just thought Lea infected Maeve. We've seen Mab say things that aren't true before. Even assuming all that, I still would believe that Lea was infected via Morgana's athame. Also, why does Elaine need to be bred for the purpose? Just being raised by Outsider connected Justin would be enough reason for me.
I've wondered how Elaine was connected to Summer in the first place. It's a hard thing to pin down because we about as much about what Justin taught Harry and Elaine as we know about what Justin didn't teach Harry and Elaine. Both are very little. Harry was taught about shields, little fire spells, how to do a binding. He wasn't taught about the laws of magic or the White Council. I'm assuming the same was true for Elaine.
Do we even know that Harry went to Lea for help instead of her showing up and offering help when he was desperate?
Mira:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on October 22, 2019, 07:44:36 PM ---With Lea and Maeve, I think it's the other way around, with Lea infecting Maeve. Pretty sure that's how Mab put it in Cold Days. I'd have to look again.
But yeah, Elaine does look like a good candidate for infecting Aurora, esp since having someone else do it seems a bit thin. We're probably missing some key piece here. Maybe she carried infection somehow. That or she was already infected when Elaine came in contact with her.
But yeah, it was the knife that had the nemesis taint on it. So that's a good place to start. Maybe Elaine isn't infected per se but a carrier?
Maybe Elaine is just a red-herring and it's not possible to infect Starborn?
I'm just spitballing here, lol.
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Consider, Harry finds Elaine wounded in the Blue Beetle. He and Billy witness Slate presenting Maeve with the bloody knife he stabbed Elaine with, oh and he is burnt, the blood is dry and Maeve is pissed because she cannot do anything with it. Elaine later tells Harry that it was a set up that she and Slate had worked out. Is this or is this not a good way to transfer infection?
When Lea is taking Harry to the stone table, she pats the knife at her side and confirms that it was the one she got at Bianca's party, she confirms also it's power, this is also the sanest we've seen her since the character was first introduced.
So either is possible and a good case can be made for each. However since a point was made of Maeve receiving the knife that had wounded Elaine from Slate, that this was also a set up.. "It was the knife.."
--- Quote ---Do we even know that Harry went to Lea for help instead of her showing up and offering help when he was desperate?
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We don't know if he found her, or she just showed up when he needed help, however she was his godmother from his conception.
--- Quote ---I'm very suspicious of Elaine, and it's entirely possible that she somehow used Slate to infect Maeve and Mab just thought Lea infected Maeve. We've seen Mab say things that aren't true before. Even assuming all that, I still would believe that Lea was infected via Morgana's athame. Also, why does Elaine need to be bred for the purpose? Just being raised by Outsider connected Justin would be enough reason for me.
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The Fae cannot lie remember? But given Mab's emotional state when she told Harry that, I believe she was telling the truth.
I think it may be one of the purposes for which Elaine was bred. We still do not know the complete story of why either her or Harry were bred or why Justin adopted the two of them. Remember there are hints in Ghost story that not everything is what it appears to be as far as the story of Justin and his motives go.
Last but not least, Elaine says to Harry. "You do not know what I am.." Not who, which would be understandable, she is no longer the girl he thought he knew. But she says what I am. It is possible that by Summer Knight she knew she was star born, Harry wouldn't know he was for several books. Or she thinks she is star born, we know she is a wizard, she isn't the Summer Lady, Summer Knight, doubtful that she is a Fae or a Denarian.. So what is she? Which is different in my mind from who she is.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: 123Chikadee on October 22, 2019, 07:44:36 PM ---With Lea and Maeve, I think it's the other way around, with Lea infecting Maeve. Pretty sure that's how Mab put it in Cold Days. I'd have to look again.
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You would be correct, Mab explicitly states it. Unless JB lied to us in Cold Days. And it has never been established that Aurora was nemfected and not just insane.
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