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Dina:
You are right but that is not what I meant. I believe it was specifically a test, I mean, if by chance it could have happened in a moment when no one would at risk (but Harry and Mister). I believe the moment where Harry had to choose (running or help) was the real point.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 18, 2019, 12:21:00 AM ---Of course the fire wasn't an accident, Harry had predicted that it was the way to attack him at home. He's been attacked there multiple times. He showed his concern for his neighbors by shoveling the walks. In the end his neighbors paid the price for the things Harry considered important. Just like Molly. The salient difference between Harry pre Changes and Harry post Changes is his acknowledgement of the fact he is a lightning rod and is a danger to those around him..
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Oh I think he always knew, Dead Beat when all those ghouls marched through his place, he had to have known.. However he had to live somewhere and it isn't an uncommon thing. The Summer Knight in Summer Knight didn't live in an isolated tower somewhere and his young friends paid a price as well. As for Molly, Lea put a guilt trip on him for not training her as she thought she should be trained.. But consider, Harry didn't give her talent, she was born with it, her mother and father had to have known it was possible that she was and ignored it. Molly would have ended up without a head were it not for Harry. He risked his own head to save her.. Yes, he may have made mistakes, but by the time of Changes she is an adult responsible for her own choices.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 18, 2019, 10:23:59 AM --- Oh I think he always knew, Dead Beat when all those ghouls marched through his place, he had to have known.. However he had to live somewhere and it isn't an uncommon thing. The Summer Knight in Summer Knight didn't live in an isolated tower somewhere and his young friends paid a price as well. As for Molly, Lea put a guilt trip on him for not training her as she thought she should be trained.. But consider, Harry didn't give her talent, she was born with it, her mother and father had to have known it was possible that she was and ignored it. Molly would have ended up without a head were it not for Harry. He risked his own head to save her.. Yes, he may have made mistakes, but by the time of Changes she is an adult responsible for her own choices.
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Everyone is responsible for his own choices but that is not binary. Harry has responsibility too for her choices because of the master - pupil relationship. He bears responsibility too and he abused that position.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 18, 2019, 12:07:51 PM ---Everyone is responsible for his own choices but that is not binary. Harry has responsibility too for her choices because of the master - pupil relationship. He bears responsibility too and he abused that position.
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I think "abuse" is too strong of a word here. It suggests that his mistakes were deliberate, they weren't. I would submit that given his total lack of experience as a mentor/master to a young apprentice and the fact that he had had a very personal relationship with Molly and her family since her childhood, he should have been disqualified from the job in the first place. Let's not also forget that she was a budding warlock at the time, while Harry has himself as a model here, he wasn't given any guidance on the matter from any experienced wizards, except that usually the attempt to reform, fails. As a result no other wizard was willing to put his or her head on the line for her. So it was step up or watch her lose her head. He had no clue in her early childhood that she had tallent or would someday be his apprentice, even if he was aware of her hero worship it is doubtful that he'd see that ever becoming a problem. At most he saw it as a harmless childish crush that she'd grow out of eventually. When she became his apprentice, he swiftly put an end to her romantic hopes, from his stand point at any rate. His training in physical self defense as Lea pointed out, that he was too soft and over protective her was a mistake. His motives were more misguided from his reaction to his own training from Justin, but not deliberate abuse of her. On the other hand the mental defense training he did with her saved her ultimately from the Corpse Taker. So yes, Harry has to take some responsibility for her choices, Yes, he made some mistakes with her, some fairly serious, but it doesn't amount to abuse.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 17, 2019, 09:27:13 PM ---Oh I think they manipulated Harry, only he, being Harry, it always backfired.. Still they were very successful in using the Red Court to weaken the White Council.
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That's what I meant by not adequately manipulating Harry. I'm still unsure if they intended Harry to become involved in every case. It certainly wasn't Vittorio's intent for Harry to become involved in White Night. Lara did intend Harry to get involved. Did the manipulator intend for it's agent to not involve Harry relying on Lara to involve Harry? But it wasn't Lara who got Harry involved. It was Madrigal.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 18, 2019, 10:23:59 AM ---her mother and father had to have known it was possible that she was and ignored it.
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Michael had no idea about Charity's talent. It's likely he still doesn't know. I'm not sure Charity can be blamed because wizards don't even really know how someone gets there abilities.
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