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Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 18, 2019, 12:44:39 PM --- I think "abuse" is too strong of a word here. It suggests that his mistakes were deliberate, they weren't. I would submit that given his total lack of experience as a mentor/master to a young apprentice and the fact that he had had a very personal relationship with Molly and her family since her childhood, he should have been disqualified from the job in the first place. Let's not also forget that she was a budding warlock at the time, while Harry has himself as a model here, he wasn't given any guidance on the matter from any experienced wizards, except that usually the attempt to reform, fails. As a result no other wizard was willing to put his or her head on the line for her. So it was step up or watch her lose her head. He had no clue in her early childhood that she had tallent or would someday be his apprentice, even if he was aware of her hero worship it is doubtful that he'd see that ever becoming a problem. At most he saw it as a harmless childish crush that she'd grow out of eventually. When she became his apprentice, he swiftly put an end to her romantic hopes, from his stand point at any rate. His training in physical self defense as Lea pointed out, that he was too soft and over protective her was a mistake. His motives were more misguided from his reaction to his own training from Justin, but not deliberate abuse of her. On the other hand the mental defense training he did with her saved her ultimately from the Corpse Taker. So yes, Harry has to take some responsibility for her choices, Yes, he made some mistakes with her, some fairly serious, but it doesn't amount to abuse.
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The abuse was using her for his suicide. Taking her to Chichen Itza probably counts as well because as her mentor he should do what is best for her, that was his responsibility.
But that became worse because he was not there to help her handle it and she had to hide because he disappeared.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 18, 2019, 06:16:21 PM ---The abuse was using her for his suicide. Taking her to Chichen Itza probably counts as well because as her mentor he should do what is best for her, that was his responsibility.
But that became worse because he was not there to help her handle it and she had to hide because he disappeared.
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Harry's own state of mind wasn't good at the time, so it is hard to hold him completely responsible. Also Molly was of age, also considering the religion she was raised in, she knew it was wrong to assist, yet she did. He didn't make her do it. People who are about to take their own lives cannot see beyond their own pain. Plus there is a little matter of a fallen angel egging him on, he cannot be held responsible for it. If you will remember this is why Uriel was able to balance the scales.
Dina:
Hello, ladies and gentlemen and everything in between. I am resurrecting this thread because I think it is an interesting reading after BG. Also because of something about the short story. I will spoiler tag it because it has to be with BG and the thread title does not indicate that.
(click to show/hide)Viti says that Marcone is bad, is dangerous and he can kill Grey. I think now we know she was not talking about what we thought, vanilla man doing extraordinary things but Denarian. And I found that very interesting. Also, apparently Grey cannot detect the Fallen in him
Oh, and just a comment. It is relatively easy to make the decision of saving children. As others stated here before, it's not such a great moral thing. I believe the interesting part is that while Grey or Marcone would probably go to some extremes to save children, Harry would probably go to great extremes to save any of them (Marcone and Grey, I mean). And I think in his inner heart Grey wants to be that sort of person, and he is trying. As always, Harry is probably going to influence him to go to that side. Marcone, on the other hand, seems to have decided to go the dark side. But, as I said before, I still see hope of redemption for him. And I still think Marcone himself hopes that, if he ever goes truly, truly dark, Harry will stop him.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 14, 2020, 09:22:06 AM ---Hello, ladies and gentlemen and everything in between.
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That made me laugh.
The problem with Marcone is that we don't see him being a bad guy. We just know he is one. We don't see him shaking down a mom and pop business or killing innocent witnesses. The only thing we see is him being aggressively libertarian. So it's easy to like him because the evil stuff he does is "out of sight, out of mind."
Dina:
Yes, which I think is in part due to Harry's denial. He does not want to think in Marcone as such a bad guy.
Also, I did a new thread about this, as apparently nobody has read my post. So if you want to move the conversation there, it may be good.
https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53933.15.html
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