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Arjan:
Humans have all kinds of conflicting thoughts all the time and they mean all of them. In the end it is about the choices you make. Harry could have gone both ways which made it only more interesting for Uriel, he promotes free will and choices. But I don't think it was an accident that Sanya appeared just after Harry broke his back. It was one of those important choices.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 16, 2019, 07:42:28 PM --- You mean in Summer Knight? My point is in Dead Beat Harry mentions to Morgan that the Red Court were the cat's paw of some greater power. What I am saying if one studies the events of the first four books of the series anyway, the Black Council or what even Harry finally ends up calling them were manipulating a lot more than just the Red Court.
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I agree that they were manipulating a lot. I disagree that they planned on Harry, either at all or adequately. I think it was Rashid who said that Harry was constantly "a thumb in the eye of the Adversary," and I believe it was in Cold Days.
--- Quote from: Dina on October 17, 2019, 12:02:55 PM ---I would agree, except that all the writing (with his inner monologue) indicates that he actually felt that way until Uriel made him stop and really think about it.
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Harry repeatedly makes choices that go against "let the world burn" in Changes. He had three choices for power, and he only took one. Probably the one that gave him the least power and most restrictions, especially in the short term. That was after a god told him that he, the god, wouldn't have enough power to challenge the LoON in their place of power.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I agree that they were manipulating a lot. I disagree that they planned on Harry, either at all or adequately. I think it was Rashid who said that Harry was constantly "a thumb in the eye of the Adversary," and I believe it was in Cold Days.
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Oh I think they manipulated Harry, only he, being Harry, it always backfired.. Still they were very successful in using the Red Court to weaken the White Council.
Dina:
Let me be clear. I never thought that Harry would think about burning the world himself, so the power thing is not relevant for me. I still think he loved his daughter too much, in a not normal way, but you are right Mira, in the end, Harry chose well.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2019, 02:00:54 PM ---Humans have all kinds of conflicting thoughts all the time and they mean all of them. In the end it is about the choices you make. Harry could have gone both ways which made it only more interesting for Uriel, he promotes free will and choices. But I don't think it was an accident that Sanya appeared just after Harry broke his back. It was one of those important choices.
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I agree. And yes, I always said that the fire itself was not accident. I believe in part it was a test, if Harry had walked away and not risk anything for his neighborg, the WG would have retired any support for him. Harry paid a great price for it, but made the right choice. And in the end it set in motion many, many things (mostly in Mab's favor, so I bet she had something to do with the fire).
morriswalters:
Of course the fire wasn't an accident, Harry had predicted that it was the way to attack him at home. He's been attacked there multiple times. He showed his concern for his neighbors by shoveling the walks. In the end his neighbors paid the price for the things Harry considered important. Just like Molly. The salient difference between Harry pre Changes and Harry post Changes is his acknowledgement of the fact he is a lightning rod and is a danger to those around him..
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