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Souls and Ghosts.
Mira:
--- Quote ---3. "What comes next" may not be heaven or hell, might be applicable to ghosts - Again, not that strong an argument. We are a soul, we have a body. Ghosts can't possess people according to Stuart, that is the pervue of demons. So for Harry to go into his body, maybe for any ghost to go into any body (i.e. capriocorpus) they need to have their soul along with them.
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Corpsetaker? I had a thought about that, maybe it is just merely wanting to cling to life/earth as long as possible? Kemmler wanted to bring people back from the dead and comeback from death himself.. The Corpsetaker didn't have that skill but by other means managed to hop from body to body. One reason I've heard for ghosts to exist is unfinished business which can take several forms so their spirit clings to earth long after their bodies are dead.
morriswalters:
Sir Stuart says he's a ghost, Jim says Ghosts aren't souls, thus Sir Stuart doesn't have a soul. That would seem to be pretty straight forward.
In between almost reads like purgatory, which is very Catholic. A place for souls who don't quite have what it takes to get to Heaven. But purgatory isn't for ghosts, it's for souls who haven't reached grace. This fits, in the sense that Jim uses it that way. Captain Murphy and Carmichael appear to have unresolved issues, but what would be Uriel's purpose in using a memory? It doesn't have a soul and it can't get to heaven.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 17, 2020, 09:25:12 PM ---Sir Stuart says he's a ghost, Jim says Ghosts aren't souls, thus Sir Stuart doesn't have a soul. That would seem to be pretty straight forward.
In between almost reads like purgatory, which is very Catholic. A place for souls who don't quite have what it takes to get to Heaven. But purgatory isn't for ghosts, it's for souls who haven't reached grace. This fits, in the sense that Jim uses it that way. Captain Murphy and Carmichael appear to have unresolved issues, but what would be Uriel's purpose in using a memory? It doesn't have a soul and it can't get to heaven.
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I seem to remember asking Uriel about staying a ghost... Uriel replied that he didn't think that
was a good option for Harry, but he didn't exactly say or say that it would cost him his soul. Harry
asks, "what if he digs the ghost routine?" Here is the answer
page454 Ghost Story
--- Quote ---"You don't," Uriel replied. "But even if you did, I would point out to you that your spiritual essence has been all but disintegrated. You would not last long as a shade, nor would you have the strength to aid and protect your loved ones. Should you lose your sanity, you might even become a danger to them--but if that is your desire, I can facilitate it."
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First of all, Uriel says nothing about Harry losing his soul if he became a ghost.. Second of all he seems to imply that spiritual essence is an important for being a ghost.. He says Harry wouldn't last long as a shade, which implies that, spirit, ghost, and shade, pretty much interchangeable... Last, but not the least, that if that is what Harry really wanted, Uriel could make it happen.. So does he mean that he'd just take Harry's soul leaving what? A few pages later the lesson that Uriel really wanted Harry to learn is learnt, he isn't a body with a soul, he is a soul with a body..
toodeep:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 17, 2020, 09:25:12 PM ---Sir Stuart says he's a ghost, Jim says Ghosts aren't souls, thus Sir Stuart doesn't have a soul. That would seem to be pretty straight forward.
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Yes, but Sir Stuart also said that Harry was just a ghost and we know that to be inaccurate. It is clear that Sir Stuart (and we assume Morty) is not someone educated in the vagaries of soul minutiae. This is a bit surprising since Mort seems to have interaction with Jack and thus maybe some degree of access to "in-between." You would think that Morty might know something about the different "realms" in the afterlife that he can interact with, unless he only interacts with Jack when he comes to our universe and doesn't realize there are others.
morriswalters:
Nothing said or done by anyone in the book indicates that Sir Stuart is anything more than a ghost. And Harry is a special case, his body isn't dead. This is almost a literal definition as supplied by Jim. You have a body, you are a soul.
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