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Quick question about pre-Storm Front
SerScot:
Ramerize Soul Gazed Molly as well, I believe.
Mira:
--- Quote from: SerScot on July 10, 2019, 05:07:53 PM ---Ramerize Soul Gazed Molly as well, I believe.
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He examined the victims of Molly's mind probes and testified to the damage done to them, Harry, as warden, was asked if he had soul gazed Molly and did he confirm her guilt or innocence? Which he did, she was guilty, then he began to argue mitigating things in her favor... The Merlin was ready to give her the chop right then and there and he had all the proxies except for Rashid who was present... Rashid stalled until the rest of the Senior Council showed up/
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
I’d assume the SC does, given that Harry has mentioned how well-informed they generally are (although he criticizes the conclusions they reach with the info & mentions that their info is not of ‘street level’).
Given that Nemesis has likely been around for a while, I would be very surprised if most, if not all of the SC were at least aware of it (& secretive about it). We know they are aware of Outsiders.
@Mira
IIRC, Harry mentions looking for Elaine everywhere when he first runs into her in SK. I believe it is only after that endeavor fails that he reaches the conclusion she’s dead. Although admittedly he could’ve just thought that she ran away while he was dueling Justin.
Another suspicious thing about the duel is that Justin never used a death curse - no doubt this gives some credence to Lafortier’s claim that Harry might’ve burned Justin in his sleep.
g33k:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on July 10, 2019, 06:45:29 PM --- ...
Given that Nemesis has likely been around for a while, I would be very surprised if most, if not all of the SC were at least aware of it (& secretive about it). We know they are aware of Outsiders...
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I would note that the WC seems to be VERY averse to admitting (even to themselves) the possibility of active conspiracies and covert actions, other than from known agencies (i.e. pre-Changes, they'd readily admit the Ramps had covert actions against them).
I suspect that individual wizards have noticed Nemfection, but that "the Council" does not admit there is any pattern, or overarching agency. The Senior Council does not discuss it as a body, the Merlin denies it to all & permits no discussion, etc.
I expect the same policy as with talk of a "Black Council," basically.
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on July 10, 2019, 06:45:29 PM --- ...
IIRC, Harry mentions looking for Elaine everywhere when he first runs into her in SK. I believe it is only after that endeavor fails that he reaches the conclusion she’s dead...
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You're right; I hadn't recalled that scene. That DOES speak to Harry not actually seeing anything happen to Elaine. It's a terrible fire, he fears the worst, but didn't (for example) see a flaming building collapse that he "knew" she was inside. Only after extensive magical searching does he admit to himself that she's dead.
I mean... yes, Harry's psyche often visits Egypt to go swimming, so it's possible that (based on what he saw) any reasonable person would have concluded she was dead (but Harry, shockingly, wasn't being reasonable).
But Occam's razor says Harry didn't really know, not from seeing it; he feared the worst, and confirmed his fears from extensive magical search.
Mira:
--- Quote ---IIRC, Harry mentions looking for Elaine everywhere when he first runs into her in SK. I believe it is only after that endeavor fails that he reaches the conclusion she’s dead. Although admittedly he could’ve just thought that she ran away while he was dueling Justin.
Another suspicious thing about the duel is that Justin never used a death curse - no doubt this gives some credence to Lafortier’s claim that Harry might’ve burned Justin in his sleep.
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No, Harry's first reaction upon finding her in his place was shock, "You're alive." Then he repeats it and then asks her in a kind of angry tone, why she never contacted him? You don't react that way unless you actually thought someone was dead... Also in the earlier books he feels great guilt about her because he truly believes she perished in the fire he created when he killed Justin..
Actually we don't know whether or not Justin threw a death curse... He may have and for some reason didn't direct it towards Harry... We learned in Ghost Story or at least from speculation on Harry's part based on what Lea helped him to remember there was a lot of double crossing going around, Justin may have aimed it in that direction.. Or he wasn't prepared to throw one because he didn't think Harry would succeed in beating him in a duel... Or the fire bomb came so fast and so hot he never got a chance... Also how would LaFortier know one way or another that Justin had thrown his curse?
--- Quote ---But Occam's razor says Harry didn't really know, not from seeing it; he feared the worst, and confirmed his fears from extensive magical search.
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Exactly...
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