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Quick question about pre-Storm Front
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 09, 2019, 03:31:45 PM ---Based on the assumption that it was murder and not self defense...
No, we don't and I doubt that much more could have been learned from young Harry at the time from either a soul gaze or even close questioning. Apparently Harry never mentioned the existence of Elaine to them, you'd think the wardens would have found evidence of her in the house if they bothered to look... Unless of course the house completely burned to the ground, which may have happened.
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Are you saying the White Council would pardon murderers with nothing more than a plea for clemency from Eb? That they wouldn’t demand proof of reasonable self defense before pardoning Harry?
I’m trying to nail down whether you think most on the WC still think highly of DuMorne or not?
At the end of the day I think we need this story told.
Mira:
--- Quote from: SerScot on July 09, 2019, 03:38:58 PM ---Are you saying the White Council would pardon murderers with nothing more than a plea for clemency from Eb? That they wouldn’t demand proof of reasonable self defense before pardoning Harry?
I’m trying to nail down whether you think most on the WC still think highly of DuMorne or not?
At the end of the day I think we need this story told.
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Harry wasn't pardoned, he was still put under the Doom... Enough bought that his act was self defense and extraordinary for someone so young against a former warden to grant him full wizard status though he did have to go and live with Eb because he was under age... However the decision wasn't unanimous... LaFortier for example, Summer Knight page 71 paperback..
--- Quote ---I remind the Council that his appointment to his stole was a de facto decision based on circumstantial evidence. He has never stood Trial, never been judged worthy by his peers."
"Like hell I haven't," I answered him. "I beat Justin DuMorne in a duel to the death. Is that not Trial enough for you?"
"Wizard DuMorne died, yes," LaFortier said. "Whether he was defeated in an open duel or burned in his sleep is another matter entirely."
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The first part was questioning Harry's status as a wizard based on how he was declared a wizard without the usual trial or test to prove himself one... However since there were no eye witnesses as to how Harry killed Justin, LaFortier claims that the evidence for a duel was flimsy, saying that Justin could have been
murdered by Harry in his sleep.. Granted there are political considerations as to why LaFortier was proposing that Harry's wizard status be taken away, but the very fact that he could bring up the question says that while they went along with naming him a wizard not all on the Council fully bought that he killed Justin in self defense rather than murder... Also as of Summer Knight, Justin or at least his talent and power were still respected enough to call into question what really happened.. Peabody's ink may have also have played a role here influencing minds..
What I am trying to say is it was a very close call for young Harry, maybe a hung jury, and yeah, Eb as the Blackstaff standing up for him and willing to take him in under the Doom could have tipped the balance... Make no mistake though, Eb was under orders to kill Harry if he stepped out of line even slightly.. And also for those like LaForier the question as to what really happened was not settled..
Avernite:
Another important consideration is that in Blood Rites, Eb makes clear Dumorne was on the LeFay team of 'we're not breaking the rules, honest. But see how far we can go already!'
Going from that to the Council reluctantly accepting he went all the way into Blackness would be little stretch (after all the Council also had put Margaret LeFay on the arrest-and-try-on-sight list eventually).
SerScot:
Mira,
--- Quote from: Mira on July 09, 2019, 06:41:26 PM --- Harry wasn't pardoned, he was still put under the Doom... Enough bought that his act was self defense and extraordinary for someone so young against a former warden to grant him full wizard status though he did have to go and live with Eb because he was under age... However the decision wasn't unanimous... LaFortier for example, Summer Knight page 71 paperback..
The first part was questioning Harry's status as a wizard based on how he was declared a wizard without the usual trial or test to prove himself one... However since there were no eye witnesses as to how Harry killed Justin, LaFortier claims that the evidence for a duel was flimsy, saying that Justin could have been
murdered by Harry in his sleep.. Granted there are political considerations as to why LaFortier was proposing that Harry's wizard status be taken away, but the very fact that he could bring up the question says that while they went along with naming him a wizard not all on the Council fully bought that he killed Justin in self defense rather than murder... Also as of Summer Knight, Justin or at least his talent and power were still respected enough to call into question what really happened.. Peabody's ink may have also have played a role here influencing minds..
What I am trying to say is it was a very close call for young Harry, maybe a hung jury, and yeah, Eb as the Blackstaff standing up for him and willing to take him in under the Doom could have tipped the balance... Make no mistake though, Eb was under orders to kill Harry if he stepped out of line even slightly.. And also for those like LaForier the question as to what really happened was not settled..
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The idea of Harry being paroled (not pardoned) for murder seems inconsistent to the way Molly’s trial was handled.
SerScot:
The opening of Turn Coat says that Harry was given a suspended sentence because his “use of magic was just to survive a guy trying to kill him”. Harry was an unknown quantity to the WC who had killed a Warden. Wardens can kill when Warlocks use black magic.
If DuMorne were seen as a “good guy” why would Harry not be a executed?
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