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Quick question about pre-Storm Front
kbrizzle:
My point in the earlier post was that just by existing & proving a long-term relationship with Justin, Harry would’ve cast doubts on his character. Since Justin wasn’t there to ‘defend’ himself, it’s likely no one on the WC knew of his proclivities in the last 10-15 years (finding & raising 2 Starborn).
Additionally, we know what Harry saw at Victor’s lake house in StF, can you imagine the type of black magic residue that would’ve been left around Justin’s property?
Mira:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on July 09, 2019, 03:52:54 AM ---My point in the earlier post was that just by existing & proving a long-term relationship with Justin, Harry would’ve cast doubts on his character. Since Justin wasn’t there to ‘defend’ himself, it’s likely no one on the WC knew of his proclivities in the last 10-15 years (finding & raising 2 Starborn).
Additionally, we know what Harry saw at Victor’s lake house in StF, can you imagine the type of black magic residue that would’ve been left around Justin’s property?
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Except that fire also sterilizes, so much of it might have burned away.. Also the suspect of dark magic warlockhood was sixteen year old Harry,not Justin, they didn't know about Elaine... To this day the Council doesn't know about her.
--- Quote ---I think SerScot my be correct here. Yes, the soulgaze may have helped Eb's opinion of Harry, but it may have also helped point to evidence that Justin had gone bad. In one of the flashbacks in one of the early novels, Harry describes that he was about to be forced to drink blood from a human skull. (I doubt that was Bob.) I assume that would have been moments before Harry broke Elaine's binding. An image of that experience or something else damning to Justin's reputation, seen in a soulgaze with Harry might have been enough to at least make the other person in the soulgaze believe that Harry was telling the truth and then look for evidence. By the way, I wonder if Ebenezer was the only person to soulgaze Harry. Now I have to go reread the series to see if Harry avoids looking into Morgan or the Merlin's eyes.
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There is evidence all through the series that Harry suffers from PTSD from what happened the night he killed Justin. Most of what happened is blocked out of his memories, he begins to have some flashbacks in Summer Knight but it isn't until Ghost Story with Lea's help that he remembers it and it isn't exactly like his first flash backs in Summer Knight.. If Harry's young traumatized mind blocked out most of what happened, how much of it can be seen through a soul gaze? A soul gaze reveals the essence of a person, it doesn't necessarily reveal memories. When Harry soul gazed Marcone, he understood what kind of person he was, however though he knew he was hiding something, Harry couldn't see what Marcone was hiding. I also doubt if Eb seriously thought Harry was a warlock that he'd have pleaded for him, grandson or not.. There is no evidence that Harry was interrogated in or before his trial,hell he had no idea what was going on, he had a hood over his
head and it was conducted in Latin, which at that time he did not speak nor understand... It wasn't until years later that he even knew it was Eb that defended him. Also if evidence had come out about Justin, why did so many Council members continue to question Harry's credibility at various times in the series? Morgan's obsession with Harry was he was convinced that Harry was a warlock..
If the truth had come out about Justin and what had happened, do you think Morgan would have still been so over the top obsessed?
apgrey:
Ref: https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53049.msg2318077.html#msg2318077
The above reference is a post I made about Justin DuMorne and Harry.
In it I speculated that Harry's memories of his fighting Justin are garbled and incomplete. So, we don't really know what happened. In fact, Harry does not know either.
We also don't have a clear description of how long Harry was with the Leanansidhe before confronting Justin, or what happened between Justin's death and Harry being taken into custody by the White Council.
APG
SerScot:
Mira,
--- Quote from: Mira on July 09, 2019, 11:00:01 AM ---Except that fire also sterilizes, so much of it might have burned away.. Also the suspect of dark magic warlockhood was sixteen year old Harry,not Justin, they didn't know about Elaine... To this day the Council doesn't know about her.
There is evidence all through the series that Harry suffers from PTSD from what happened the night he killed Justin. Most of what happened is blocked out of his memories, he begins to have some flashbacks in Summer Knight but it isn't until Ghost Story with Lea's help that he remembers it and it isn't exactly like his first flash backs in Summer Knight.. If Harry's young traumatized mind blocked out most of what happened, how much of it can be seen through a soul gaze? A soul gaze reveals the essence of a person, it doesn't necessarily reveal memories. When Harry soul gazed Marcone, he understood what kind of person he was, however though he knew he was hiding something, Harry couldn't see what Marcone was hiding. I also doubt if Eb seriously thought Harry was a warlock that he'd have pleaded for him, grandson or not.. There is no evidence that Harry was interrogated in or before his trial,hell he had no idea what was going on, he had a hood over his
head and it was conducted in Latin, which at that time he did not speak nor understand... It wasn't until years later that he even knew it was Eb that defended him. Also if evidence had come out about Justin, why did so many Council members continue to question Harry's credibility at various times in the series? Morgan's obsession with Harry was he was convinced that Harry was a warlock..
If the truth had come out about Justin and what had happened, do you think Morgan would have still been so over the top obsessed?
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I think Morgan was obsessed with Harry because he was a warlock who used black magic. He didn’t believe Harry could be reformed. The “why” of Harry’s use of Black Magic didn’t enter into Morgan’s obsession. Look at how Morgan treated Molly during Turn Coat as an example of how he feels about “reformed” Warlocks. And Molly didn’t kill anyone and was attempting to “help” her friends. And that was after Morgan appeared to show sympathy for Molly during the trial.
How much worse would his obsession be over someone who murdered with magic?
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think Morgan was obsessed with Harry because he was a warlock who used black magic. He didn’t believe Harry could be reformed. The “why” of Harry’s use of Black Magic didn’t enter into Morgan’s obsession. Look at how Morgan treated Molly during Turn Coat as an example of how he feels about “reformed” Warlocks. And Molly didn’t kill anyone and was attempting to “help” her friends.
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Based on the assumption that it was murder and not self defense...
--- Quote --- The above reference is a post I made about Justin DuMorne and Harry.
In it I speculated that Harry's memories of his fighting Justin are garbled and incomplete. So, we don't really know what happened. In fact, Harry does not know either.
We also don't have a clear description of how long Harry was with the Leanansidhe before confronting Justin, or what happened between Justin's death and Harry being taken into custody by the White Council.
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No, we don't and I doubt that much more could have been learned from young Harry at the time from either a soul gaze or even close questioning. Apparently Harry never mentioned the existence of Elaine to them, you'd think the wardens would have found evidence of her in the house if they bothered to look... Unless of course the house completely burned to the ground, which may have happened.
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