The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Denarian Short Story
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 29, 2019, 12:50:57 AM ---Again, I really don't see the appeal of 30 pages of Nicodemus doing bad things to good people and getting away with it.
Plus? A story's mainly interesting if it challenges its protagonist in some way. Nicodemus isn't going to be challenged by that. He's challenged by people like Harry and Michael.
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1. Whoever goes after Nicodemus, it won't be goodguys. They will be really nasty types who are in it for money, or if they're from the supernatural side of the fence they will be in it for favors. Marcone has probably built up enough favors he can trade some to them to harass Nicodemus, even if the odds of killing him are very low.
2. I'm sure Jim could create a situation where Nicodemus is vulnerable. It might even be a way to demonstrate; if only in a small way, how the Grail can be used as a weapon.
Mira:
--- Quote ---2. I'm sure Jim could create a situation where Nicodemus is vulnerable. It might even be a way to demonstrate; if only in a small way, how the Grail can be used as a weapon.
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He has already shown that through Tessa.. I also think sacrificing Deidre will have lasting effects, made him very vulnerable... Also unless Michael is wrong, while it is a thing of power the Grail is a force for good..
morriswalters:
Just a thought. Why add something else to what is already a pretty full plate writing wise. I'd settle for getting the stories I've already bought into. The Dresden case files.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---I kinda see the point, but then you'd have people thinking that Jim "chickened out" of leaving it broken. Having it fixed in the same book it's broken makes it clear that was the plan all along.
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For me, it feels like the opposite: I always knew that the Sword would be fixed, but having it done so easily made it feel like he was "chickening out" of writing actual consequences for it breaking.
--- Quote ---We already saw all that from Harry's perspective. We don't need to see the exact same thing from the outside.
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No we didn't. First, Harry never actually took up the coin. Second, Harry never did anything actually bad because of it. Dodgy, occasionally, but not actually bad.
--- Quote ---Shiro is still dead.
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He would have been dead before the next book anyway.
--- Quote ---Michael is still crippled.
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And that's explicitly his happy ending.
--- Quote ---Murphy is still grievously injured.
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Good point, but at least until we get the next book, this still has the "consequences are only in the book they occur in" issue.
--- Quote ---At least one Splattercon!!!-goer is dead because of Lasciel's influence.
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People still care about this person?
--- Quote ---Plus? A story's mainly interesting if it challenges its protagonist in some way. Nicodemus isn't going to be challenged by that.
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--- Quote ---1. Whoever goes after Nicodemus, it won't be goodguys.
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--- Quote ---He has already shown that through Tessa..
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Maybe we could see Nicodemus going after the traitors who are N-fected/working with the Black Council! :)
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on June 29, 2019, 09:02:36 AM ---1. Whoever goes after Nicodemus, it won't be goodguys. They will be really nasty types who are in it for money, or if they're from the supernatural side of the fence they will be in it for favors. Marcone has probably built up enough favors he can trade some to them to harass Nicodemus, even if the odds of killing him are very low.
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Marcone already got pretty complete revenge, and "send a bunch of mooks to harass him" just plain is not his style.
--- Quote ---2. I'm sure Jim could create a situation where Nicodemus is vulnerable. It might even be a way to demonstrate; if only in a small way, how the Grail can be used as a weapon.
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He has. When he's up against Dresden. The whole idea is that Dresden is like the one person in centuries who's gotten Nicodemus's goat.
Nicodemus is just plain not protagonist material. He's not someone to be challenged on the way to his goals -- he is the challenge.
Plus? He's completely, irredeemably evil, an utterly horrible person in every respect. I don't see any value in a story where we're ostensibly rooting for him -- or, for that matter, a story where I'm actively rooting against the viewpoint character at every step.
--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on June 29, 2019, 03:41:54 PM ---For me, it feels like the opposite: I always knew that the Sword would be fixed, but having it done so easily made it feel like he was "chickening out" of writing actual consequences for it breaking.
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I mean, this way it's clear that was the plan. If it got fixed two books later, that would not have been clear -- and it would have seemed, to at least some in the readership, like Jim had intended it to be broken forever, but chickened out and reversed course.
--- Quote ---No we didn't. First, Harry never actually took up the coin. Second, Harry never did anything actually bad because of it. Dodgy, occasionally, but not actually bad.
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Because -- shock and awe -- Jim is not writing a book series where the badguys win and his main protagonist turns evil.
But the point remains -- we saw the whole, "Tempted by the coin and the power it represents" through Harry. Seeing it second-hand, for characters who make no sense whatsoever picking up a coin is just redundant and pointless. Of all Harry's inner circle, he was the most susceptible to the coins' power. Everyone else is smart enough to know it's not worth it.
--- Quote ---And that's explicitly his happy ending.
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I imagine he might have been happier not being crippled for life. If it wasn't for the Denarians' plot, he wouldn't have gotten injured.
--- Quote ---Good point, but at least until we get the next book, this still has the "consequences are only in the book they occur in" issue.
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Jim has already said more or less that Murphy is spending Peace Talks still in recovery.
--- Quote ---People still care about this person?
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They were a person who died, so yes? This seems super callous. Does it only count as murder if they "mattered" as a person?
--- Quote ---Maybe we could see Nicodemus going after the traitors who are N-fected/working with the Black Council! :)
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That brings up another point. Jim has said he can't really do a story from Mouse's perspective because he knows too much.
If that's the case, Nicodemus would know way too much.
Also, again -- irredeemably evil shitbag who literally thrives on the pain and suffering of innocent people and whose idea of a second honeymoon is killing off 1/3 of Europe.
I genuinely do not understand how people would want to be in his head for a 30 page story.
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