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Would the Knights have gone after the Denarians in the beginning of SmF if...
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Wouldn't you help a guy who was on your front sidewalk, torturing someone, no matter what the reason?
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Yes. I'm just pointing out that "people making free-willed choices" isn't a sufficient reason for Michael not to act.
--- Quote ---I wasn't talking about Nic's choices. I was talking about Marcone's. He's where he's at in the book because of a choice he made. Two choices actually. He chose to save Harry in the alley behind Bock's Books. And he chose to be a free holding Lord. The first drew the animus of Titania, the second made him fair game in the supernatural world.
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Well, sure. But all the Denarians made choices that led them to where they are, and that doesn't stop the Knights from trying to save them. And if Denarians making choices doesn't stop Knights from trying to save them, I don't see why Marcone making choices would stop the Knights from trying to save him. For that matter, Ivy made choices that got her kidnapped and tortured by Denarians--she had to explicitly go against the Archive's directives to save Harry, which explicitly lead to the Denarians getting her--and it didn't stop the Knights from saving her. So what makes Marcone different?
--- Quote ---He reasons for saving Harry did not come not from the goodness of his heart either.. He wanted an in to the supernatural world and a body guard... The man is a crime lord, lots of people suffer because he is who he is... Being rescued by Holy Knights hasn't changed that.
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Agreed that Marcone is a bad guy. But the Denarians seem generally to be worse, so it seems clear that "being a bad guy" is not a reason for the Knights not to try and save someone.
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Yes. I'm just pointing out that "people making free-willed choices" isn't a sufficient reason for Michael not to act.
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Michael does act. He evidently doesn't act as quickly as you seem to want him to though. He helps rescue both Marcone and Ivy and damn near dies.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---Michael does act. He evidently doesn't act as quickly as you seem to want him to though. He helps rescue both Marcone and Ivy and damn near dies.
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Based on this comment, I feel the premise of my argument has been lost. Thus, I will restate it.
In Small Favor, when Harry first goes to Michael's house, he explicitly asks Michael's and Sanya's help to rescue Marcone. In the course of the discussion, they all realize that Nicodemus is involved, and Harry asks the Knights to help him hunt down (and implicitly kill) the Denarians. Michael refuses both requests, necessitating that, if Harry wants the Knights to be involved, he has to either lie to Luccio to set up arbitration under the Accords or just go charging into battle himself and force the situation against Michael's will.
What I am saying is that, while it makes perfect sense that Michael would refuse Harry's second request, it makes less sense that he would refuse Harry's first request. I believe that the reason that Micheal does so is his concern that Harry might be leading the Knights into a trap.
morriswalters:
Asked and answered.
Mira:
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What I am saying is that, while it makes perfect sense that Michael would refuse Harry's second request, it makes less sense that he would refuse Harry's first request. I believe that the reason that Micheal does so is his concern that Harry might be leading the Knights into a trap.
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However Harry knew perfectly well it was a trap, as did Michael and Sanya.. Harry countered with a trap of his own, that is why he was willing to risk a Holy Sword to rescue Ivy....
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