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Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
A couple of things about that:
* The events of PG take place during summer when Mab is at her weakest, where as when she is able to shut down access in CD, it is after the fall Equinox when her power is growing again
* She was only able to shut it down for 1 night, not forever
Looking forward to the rest of your response when you are able.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on June 28, 2019, 01:50:52 PM ---Maeve of course leaks this to the Black Council, who decide to Nfect Molly for real.
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As seen in Cold Days, Maeve doesn't know Mab has set Molly up to be a Lady.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 28, 2019, 02:54:46 PM ---Not feeling up to snuff but this one is fairly easy.In Cold Days Mab locks the borders of her realm
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Not just her realm, but all of Faerie.
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---An issue with your theory regarding the BC assault being launched through the portal at the Con would be that it places that assault on Arctis Tor on my timeline of it happening & not a year ago like you are positing.
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I cheat. ;) In my theory the portal was set up a year ago, not during PG. And besides, Jim cheats.
--- Quote from: Proven Guilty ---“It’s all relative,” I said. “Time can pass at different rates in Faerie. These bones could have fallen a thousand years ago, by the local clock. Or twenty minutes ago.”
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The Faerie war took place in Chicago over Chicago, the point was to give Winter the Summer Knights Mantle. It wasn't an invasion of Winter. It isn't that it couldn't work the way you think, but I'm limiting myself to things I know did occur to supply motivation for those things that I think occurred. So I know that the BC hit Arctis Tor. So the motivation for Winter going to the Summer border is based on that. Mab knows who the people were who participated in the raid. She says as much. But knowing who was behind it is another matter. But since someone set up a portal then the assault team had the help of someone in Faerie.
If she didn't kill Thorned Namshiel during the attack it was because he had access to the power of an archangel. But she has 50000 troops and her own power and as is shown in Proven Guilty the border isn't that far away in time from Arctis Tor. So having Arctis Tor defended so lightly isn't worrisome. And as someone reminded me on Reddit, the attack never got inside the fortress, only the courtyard.
More later, maybe. This is a lotta fun, but I'm old and my brains are fried.
I read it like this. The assault team enters through the portal and makes their way to the fortress.(they had to get in close somehow) Mab rallies her guard when they are spotted. She makes for the wellspring to defend it if worse comes to worse. Then Thorned Namshiel throws Hellfire to break the portcullis. Every body in Winter senses this and takes off hell bent for leather to the fortress. He uses hellfire again in the courtyard to kill the guard at the tower. Like Harry he senses the Winter forces coming. Maybe Mab is bending time against the attackers. And to paraphrase a song, anything Maeve can do, Mab can do better. Throrned Namshiel is outta time. Getting trapped inside the fortress walls is something he would like to avoid. He scoots.
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---In Cold Days Mab locks the borders of her realm so no one can leave giving Harry a head start.
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Isn't this noted as being extremely difficult and delicate work, even for someone on Mab's level? And it was definitely mentioned that it couldn't last past dawn.
OTOH, Mab also creates a portal from Harry's closet to Chicago, and that's not noted as being particularly difficult for someone on Mab's level, so that's probably better evidence that she could also have created the portal at Pell's theater.
--- Quote ---As seen in Cold Days, Maeve doesn't know Mab has set Molly up to be a Lady.
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This isn't seen, actually. Molly was behind a veil, so Maeve didn't know she was around. Therefore, even if she knew that Molly had at one point been prepared as a Lady, she would have no reason to expect that to be able to interfere with her plans.
kbrizzle:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 28, 2019, 10:17:44 PM ---I cheat. ;) In my theory the portal was set up a year ago, not during PG. And besides, Jim cheats.
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I had considered that but abandoned it because I couldn’t come up with why? So let’s assume the BC attacks Mab through a time traveling portal (since she can control portal access according to you, why didn’t she stop this?) that brings them out a year ago during DB. Why? As of PG, the BC is aware their other ploys in DB (Darkhallow & eliminating wardens+SC) has failed - if they are using time travel, wouldn’t it make more sense to go back & try to succeed at the Darkhallow? Their necro-god would then be able to take on Mab & breach Arctis Tor without too much issue.
What about Odin’s law of conservation of history? He explicitly says that it is much easier to shape the future than alter the past.
--- Quote ---The Faerie war took place in Chicago over Chicago, the point was to give Winter the Summer Knights Mantle. It wasn't an invasion of Winter. It isn't that it couldn't work the way you think, but I'm limiting myself to things I know did occur to supply motivation for those things that I think occurred. So I know that the BC hit Arctis Tor. So the motivation for Winter going to the Summer border is based on that. Mab knows who the people were who participated in the raid. She says as much. But knowing who was behind it is another matter.
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Hmm, Nemesis was trying to start a Faerie war by using the SK mantle as the trigger. Aurora was also aware that her actions would lead to war but saw it as collateral damage to end the ages old conflict.
I also do not understand the link you’re making with the BC assault on Arctis Tor & therefore Mab sent her troops to the Summer border. Are you implying that someone from Summer was involved in the assault & that is why Mab sent her troops there for a year?
--- Quote ---I read it like this. The assault team enters through the portal and makes their way to the fortress.(they had to get in close somehow) Mab rallies her guard when they are spotted. She makes for the wellspring to defend it if worse comes to worse. Then Thorned Namshiel throws Hellfire to break the portcullis. Every body in Winter senses this and takes off hell bent for leather to the fortress. He uses hellfire again in the courtyard to kill the guard at the tower. Like Harry he senses the Winter forces coming. Maybe Mab is bending time against the attackers. And to paraphrase a song, anything Maeve can do, Mab can do better. Throrned Namshiel is outta time. Getting trapped inside the fortress walls is something he would like to avoid. He scoots.
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This would make the BC seem like rank amateurs - they sent 1 powerful sorcerer with a small army to take on Mab at Arctis Tor??! Considering the BC in DB sends overwhelming power to further strategic goals (like summoning Outsiders & their atrocities against the WC), that seems like an under-powered move with a low chance of survival. Nobody believes that Namshiel could take on Mab, especially in her demesne.
For the attack to have been in line with the other BC ones in DB (a parallel you’re drawing in your theory), it would have to be a lot more savage & threatening, with Mab just about pulling out a victory.
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