The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Proven Guilty speculation, because, why not?
nadia.skylark:
--- Quote ---What should intrigue you is the portal at the theater. Can you imagine that the ways into Arctis Tor are any less difficult to open then the ways to Hades?
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Well, the portal opened up a good distance from Arctis Tor and then they had to walk. It's not like it opened up inside the walls.
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
Regarding Winter & Summer not attacking the Ramps - I gave you an alternative & plausible theory as to why - Maeve lies to Mab about Lily being Nfected.
The theory you are proposing would require Mab to remain in a destroyed Arctis Tor alone for a year (or a long time anyway given the flow of time in Faerie) with no front gates anymore, & it would only be her defending the entire city - given that the Black Council is not vanquished, this would be extraordinarily ballsy of her given everything that has happened. She wasn’t able to kill the wielder of hellfire for a while later (even then Michael did it) so he’s certainly out there during the events of PG, not to mention the other BC agents scattered throughout the world. On top of that, she sends away her army to stymie Summer as well which ends up helping the Ramps & BC in the short-term - what would be the purpose of this?
Convincing the world that she was crazy would not suffice - what is the benefit? Clearly her true enemies wouldn’t underestimate her since by your theory, she handily won the attempted assault on Arctis Tor.
Also why would Mab be pressured to send help during DB? It seems pretty clearly to be the responsibility of the White Council, who end up sending a team & deputizing Harry to stop it. I don’t understand the link you are drawing between the Arctis Tor assault & the timing of DB... the only thing we can infer is that the attack happened after she appeared in place of Lea in DB.
Regarding Maeve being behind the latter 3 attacks including Fool Moon garage - why would the Scarecrow kill Glau first then? If anything it should’ve struck at Thomas or Harry since Madrigal & Glau were doing things beneficial to Nfected Maeve? Glau is even suspected of being a BC agent.
On the whole, I like your point about both Mab & Maeve being responsible for different attacks though, it makes sense.
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Also why would Mab be pressured to send help during DB? It seems pretty clearly to be the responsibility of the White Council, who end up sending a team & deputizing Harry to stop it. I don’t understand the link you are drawing between the Arctis Tor assault & the timing of DB... the only thing we can infer is that the attack happened after she appeared in place of Lea in DB.
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Not Dead Beat, the events happening off page in Dead Beat. The attack on Cairo.
--- Quote ---"We had many wounded," Luccio said. "So many wounded. As soon as the Senior Council was able to open the ways into the Nevernever, we retreated to the paths through Faerie. And we were pursued."
I sat up straight. "What?"
Morgan nodded. "The Red Court followed us into the territory of the Sidhe," he said.
"They had to know," I said quietly. "They had to know that by pressing the attack in Faerie itself they would anger the Sidhe. They've just declared war on Summer and Winter alike."
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And that group of Wardens was five, not counting Harry. In the attack 200 Wardens died leaving the White Council 50. And 45000 mortals in the Congo. This is my link to the attack at Arctis Tor. This was to keep the Sidhe out of the game so the vamps could destroy the Senior Council and in one strike end the war. While everybody was doing that, Cowl was trying to raise himself to Godhood.
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I'm having a hard time accepting your premise that Lily as a character had enough menace to make Mab feel threatened enough to defer action against the Reds. And it's hard to see Mab believing that Titania would let Lily use the troops of Summer to lead an attack against Winter, given that they hold each other in check. So what threat does Lily hold sufficient to Mab's response prior to the attack on Arctis Tor?
How do you account for the portal at the theater and the attack on Pell? The WOJ posted earlier has Jim saying that Mab brought Molly to Arctis Tor. It also seems obvious that that Black Council attack was launched through a portal. We either have to assign Mab the title of cretin or we have to assume that Mab didn't think she could be attacked because she controls portals to her domain as Hades controls his. The theater portal is used to transport Molly since the fetches don't need it. This supports my premise that the attack on Pell was about that portal. It got Molly to Arctis Tor.
The question I can't answer is did the Black Council use this portal to launch their attack? The timing is suggestive without being definitive assuming my premise. The Con was setup at about the time that I posit the attack occurred. The Con's theme would have been conducive to setting up the conditions for the portal to link to deep Winter. This setup would have required the participation of a Queen of Faerie. Which is why I pointed out earlier that there are three Queens.
The weakness to my WAG is explaining why Molly was led into Black Magic.
kbrizzle:
@morriswalters
I think one of the issues is that we don’t know if Mab ordered her troops to the Summer border before or after the assault on Arctis Tor.
You seem to think that she does it after the assault - why? By doing this, she effectively locks up Summer’s troops for nearly a year as well, giving the Ramps free passage during that time, while she stays undefended at Arctis Tor.
There is a fair amount of evidence that the events of PG were set up a year ago (like the Summer/Winter army stalemate, Molly getting in trouble etc), showing that this is Plan B for the Black Council since one of their own didn’t become a necro-god.
An issue with your theory regarding the BC assault being launched through the portal at the Con would be that it places that assault on Arctis Tor on my timeline of it happening & not a year ago like you are positing.
My theory is that Mab placed her troops at the border before the assault - the only reason for this would be that she had a strong suspicion that the biggest threat to her purpose would come from that direction. This would make sense if Maeve lies to Mab, telling her that Lily is likely Nfected - Maeve would be able to convince Mab of the ‘danger’ posed by Lily because Maeve is manipulating a lot of Lily’s actions. Remember, Aurora was almost able to start a Faerie war by having her own Knight killed - she didn’t need to move any troops around. Titania is clearly in mourning for Aurora & not all that interested in the fate of the world as seen in CD. So Mab, convinced by Maeve that the Nfected Lily is setting plans in motion to threaten Winter, places her troops at the Summer border, leaving Arctis Tor fairly light on defense. This gives the BC the opening they need to attack, when they think Mab has been lulled into a false sense of security.
This also answers the question regarding everyone’s interest in Molly - believing that Lily has been Nfected, Mab decides to replace her with Molly (hence the seemingly throwaway line in CD where she tells Harry that she’d originally considered Molly to “be a better candidate for Summer”). Maeve of course leaks this to the Black Council, who decide to Nfect Molly for real. This is why Mab whisks Molly back to Arctis Tor as soon as she is able.
Regarding the portal - I mean there is one explanation - Maeve can also create portals to Arctis Tor. There is no evidence that Mab can control portal-access to her realm, or that Hades can - I think this is one of the benefits of free will. If they could, why would they need defenses or guardians?
Also why would Mab need a portal to get Molly back to Arctis Tor? Surely she can just appear wherever she wants, unless you’re suggesting that every time Mab comes to Chicago she enters through Pell’s theater? We also know from SK that there are portals to Winter in Undertown.
The attacks on the Con have been planned a year in advance - this is why Darby Crane was invited back then - he was always going to be the fall guy for this.
An alternative reason for the attacks could be to keep Harry & Michael busy trying to solve them while the BC is able to go about its business. This theory is admittedly light, because I do believe that more was going on with the attacks, especially with your points about the portals.
morriswalters:
Not feeling up to snuff but this one is fairly easy.
--- Quote ---There is no evidence that Mab can control portal-access to her realm, or that Hades can - I think this is one of the benefits of free will. If they could, why would they need defenses or guardians?
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In Cold Days Mab locks the borders of her realm so no one can leave giving Harry a head start. Location 1444 of the Kindle Version. I'm not going to quote it now, maybe later when I answer the rest of your post. I will tell you what I speculate. I think we will find out that portal magic is part of the function of the Outer Gates.
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